Thursday, March 23rd, 2006 11:57 am
topic one, topic two (1/2)
Okay. *cracks knuckles*
Topic One:
amireal suggested bagels and cream cheese.
My response: Yum?
Topic Two:
_minxy - Bore me about badfic. Tell me what needs to happen to make badfic readable, and what takes it into 'oh god, no!' territory, and when it becomes so bad it's sporkable.
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eretria - Well, since you already offered: Badfic.
Your top 10 pet-peeves in fic.
Your top 10 bulletproof kinks in fic.
Ooh, my favorite topics!
When I was in diaryland and making two to three entries a day, I used to cover this like, once a week. And every time, it was different. Because I have learned to embrace the concept of badfic. Even celebrate it. And then I go through periods of time reading QaF's archives and cry cry cry.
But let's do the short list of things that, in general, will make people on their deathbed spend their last precious seconds of life ranting how they lost those ten minutes to reading a story.
The Badfic Test - or, things read in the last two months that have shortened my life considerably:
1.) I won't even start on characterization, because that is a fool's argument and can only lead to tears and brand new grudges. But. This is just an example. If at any time, any male is crying hysterically over his feelings? You may have written a badfic. If it happens every chapter? Please start an antidepressant soon. You are worrying me.
2.) Rule of thumb; mpreg. We all write it and read it. Yes, even you, no matter what you tell your friends. But let's do this. When you are describing the labor and delivery--wait. Why are you describing the labor and delivery? Fandom is majority women. Most of us have done it, seen it done, or have close female relatives who will give us the three hour hideously anatomically correct lecture. Seriously. Unless that baby is coming out by transporter clean and shiny, let's use the vaseline lens.
I like the minimalistic approach; then the baby was born. All fluids, tearing, mutilation, or multi-paragraph descriptions of the state of the area it came out of? They don't need their own chapter. Promise.
3.) Seriously. No crying over feelings. However--Rodney may cry over a ZPM and John may cry over a puddlejumper. Ronon may cry over his hair, if you can convince me there's ever a good reason for it to upset him. I make exceptions for true love. BUT ONLY THEN.
4.) OH MY GOD IT IS WANTON OKAY? PLEASE IN THE NAME OF GOD.
5.) Rodney is not fat. No, he really isn't. No, really, he's *not*. John is practically a male anorexic and Ronon's some kind of vaguely god-like presence sent to make the screen prettier, and lets face it, Zelenka is tiny and elf-like, and btw, anyone write Elf!Zelenka fic yet? They are not typical man-shapes. Rodney is not fat. Please write this ten times ten to the tenth power ten times over and then you may start your magnum opus again. Not. Fat.
Taking break, brb.
Topic One:
My response: Yum?
Topic Two:
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Your top 10 pet-peeves in fic.
Your top 10 bulletproof kinks in fic.
Ooh, my favorite topics!
When I was in diaryland and making two to three entries a day, I used to cover this like, once a week. And every time, it was different. Because I have learned to embrace the concept of badfic. Even celebrate it. And then I go through periods of time reading QaF's archives and cry cry cry.
But let's do the short list of things that, in general, will make people on their deathbed spend their last precious seconds of life ranting how they lost those ten minutes to reading a story.
The Badfic Test - or, things read in the last two months that have shortened my life considerably:
1.) I won't even start on characterization, because that is a fool's argument and can only lead to tears and brand new grudges. But. This is just an example. If at any time, any male is crying hysterically over his feelings? You may have written a badfic. If it happens every chapter? Please start an antidepressant soon. You are worrying me.
2.) Rule of thumb; mpreg. We all write it and read it. Yes, even you, no matter what you tell your friends. But let's do this. When you are describing the labor and delivery--wait. Why are you describing the labor and delivery? Fandom is majority women. Most of us have done it, seen it done, or have close female relatives who will give us the three hour hideously anatomically correct lecture. Seriously. Unless that baby is coming out by transporter clean and shiny, let's use the vaseline lens.
I like the minimalistic approach; then the baby was born. All fluids, tearing, mutilation, or multi-paragraph descriptions of the state of the area it came out of? They don't need their own chapter. Promise.
3.) Seriously. No crying over feelings. However--Rodney may cry over a ZPM and John may cry over a puddlejumper. Ronon may cry over his hair, if you can convince me there's ever a good reason for it to upset him. I make exceptions for true love. BUT ONLY THEN.
4.) OH MY GOD IT IS WANTON OKAY? PLEASE IN THE NAME OF GOD.
5.) Rodney is not fat. No, he really isn't. No, really, he's *not*. John is practically a male anorexic and Ronon's some kind of vaguely god-like presence sent to make the screen prettier, and lets face it, Zelenka is tiny and elf-like, and btw, anyone write Elf!Zelenka fic yet? They are not typical man-shapes. Rodney is not fat. Please write this ten times ten to the tenth power ten times over and then you may start your magnum opus again. Not. Fat.
Taking break, brb.
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From:THANK YOU.
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From:Sorry. Have read stories like that and they drive me nuts. Sadly, one was by an author whose stories I have liked in another fandom.
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From:*sacrifices things in your honor*
There needs to be elf!Zelenka fic. Now *looks around, foot tapping*
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From:I gotta say, you rock to the tenth power of infinity. Really.
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From:*dies laughing*
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who, upon reading a sentence like, "He gave him a look of wonton longing," thinks "Mmmm, dinner!"
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From:And furthermore, he sure as hell does not *think* that he is fat, or unattractive. Rodney may be a little unsure of himself when it comes to dating (OK, a lot unsure, though I thought he was actually quite charming in his toast to Katie), but low self-esteem? *So* not one of his problems.
He's got a little belly, people! That's not fat, that's (*#%-ing adorable!
In conclusion: WORD.
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From:Oh, that's a favorite of mine, guaranteed to get at least a snort.
Or, he "ran his hand across his taunt thigh." Is his thigh saying "neener neener neener?" It's "taut!!"
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From:Reading, writing, or 'rythmatic?
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From:A story, even a drabble, has to be really good for me to finish reading it with those kind of errors.
I have to repress the urges to write the polite "um, did you know..." emails, because it only took one of them coming back flaming like a mad thing for me to never to that again.
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From:I'd have to agree. And really about Rodney not being fat. Really. That drives me crazy.
I like the idea of embracing badfic. Yeah. Go for it! I'm here because of the kid!John fic, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. Heh.
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From:Stop. Just. Stop. Put the porn down. Back away from the fic. And go sit in a corner.
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From:David Hewlett is one of the few exceptions (other than Tom Welling) - the man has a gorgeous naked body, nicely proportioned and his ass is to die for.
No, DH-Rodney isn't ripped - he obviously doesn't go to the gym three times a day to work out. He's a little soft around the middle - but fat? NO. He looks like a normal weight (165) six foot tall guy in his late thirties who prefers computers to repelling down cliffs ::looking at the uber-skinny JF::.
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From:Where John has (since getting to Pegasus) been doing the getting in shape routine too much.
*measures JF's pecks and graphs their progress from season one*
And there could be an intervention!
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From:4.) OH MY GOD IT IS WANTON OKAY? PLEASE IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Or, as I say, if your sex scene makes me want Chinese food, there's SOMETHING WRONG HERE.
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From:As opposed to what? *confused*
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From:Oh jeez, this is my biggest peeve in any fanfic ever. John does something that upsets Rodney and Rodney sobs. John cries in public onto Elizabeth's shoulder because Rodney is injured - I read that paragraph in a fic three times because I thought I was hallucinating. I also would include any scene which has them *screaming* and/or shrieking at each other about their feelings - it might be a badfic. Just possible. Oh god.
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From:And yes, describing Rodney as "solid" is acceptable. Describing him as "fat" is not. And he does *not* eat twice his weight in food at each meal.
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From:In fact, if you're me, it's pretty happy-making. *g* (Those shoulders, those arms, that broad back! Yum.)
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From:Just thinking about the time I've spent on QAF Archive That Shall Remain Nameless makes me weep.
In our defense, we didn't have that much good fic, so reading badfic was a good alternative for boredom. That is, until 'ooc' became a genre. No.
OH MY GOD IT IS WANTON OKAY? PLEASE IN THE NAME OF GOD.
*dies laughing*
Crying over feelings makes me cringe. A lot. A possibly hit the back button.
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From:YES! EXACTLY!!!!
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From:Wantin' might work as a rube regionalism used as dialog. But not so much if your characters hail from other than the sticks. : ) Maybe Firefly or SG-15?
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