Picked this up off my flist yesterday and skimmed, but really didn't get a chance to truly take in the sheer mind-boggling....okay, I have to stop there and just link.

From Crooks and Liars (and everywhere else in the world): KS Republican Lynn Jenkins Says GOP Struggling To Find "Great White Hope" To Take On Obama

Literally, even.

U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins offered encouragement to conservatives at a town hall forum that the Republican Party would embrace a "great white hope" capable of thwarting the political agenda endorsed by Democrats who control Congress and President Barack Obama.

In response to inquiries by The Topeka Capital-Journal, a Jenkins spokeswoman said Wednesday the congresswoman wanted to apologize for her word choice and to emphasize she had no intention of expressing herself in an offensive manner.


Context for the phrase "great white hope".

Okay, besides everything being wrong with this, this is what is getting to me. There are times you could possibly get away with using a culturally questionable phrase out of context because it's just that damn obscure. I'm not going to claim when or how; I am just saying, I'm sure there are times, because there are a thousand monkeys typing Shakespeare and I have a prednisone headache.

However. I had no fucking clue where the phrase "great white hope" came from before wikipedia yesterday; I didn't need to. When people around me used it, it was in context with racist remarks, and weirdly, that kind of thing sticks with you later with this aura of "skanky phrase, do not use" and added auto-flinch. Continuing to claim ignorance does not excuse you; it just makes me think you have some kind of brain injury that is causing you to forget like, where you were born. And it doesn't help you were using it in reference to people on the melanin-deprived side of the rainbow, kay?

Great white hope. Really?
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From: [identity profile] transtempts.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:21 pm (UTC)
When they say that I can't help but think of Moby Dick.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:23 pm (UTC)
*chokes*

Oh god I hate you. I AM TRYING TO DRINK TEA HERE!

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From: [personal profile] ratcreature Date: 2009-08-28 04:52 pm (UTC)
YES! me too! And I have never even read Moby Dick.
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From: [personal profile] aurora Date: 2009-08-28 07:38 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY. *highfives*

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From: [identity profile] celestialcuming.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-29 10:40 pm (UTC)
I also kept thinking - there's a whale in my head when I hear this - but I couldn't figure out why!!LOL!

From: [identity profile] anjak-j.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:26 pm (UTC)
My first response:

O___o

Even without a context that's one of those phrases you hear and your reaction should be 'hell no'.


Then, she's a Republican. She's probably one of those who told Americans lies about the British healthcare system. So I'm hardly surprised...
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From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:27 pm (UTC)
Even without a context that's one of those phrases you hear and your reaction should be 'hell no'.

This, times ten.

Then, she's a Republican. She's probably one of those who told Americans lies about the British healthcare system. So I'm hardly surprised...

I'm more surprised there aren't better excuses yet, tbh.

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From: [personal profile] libitina Date: 2009-08-28 04:36 pm (UTC)
well, when you are trying to be racist, go with your strengths? Dumbass.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:38 pm (UTC)
it's sad she doesn't even have to try all that hard.

From: [identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:38 pm (UTC)
Oh. My. God.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I got nothing.

*still staring blankly at excuses*
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From: [identity profile] suaine.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:45 pm (UTC)
Oh, but didn't you listen to the spokeswoman? SHE DIDN'T *MEAN* TO BE OFFENSIVE!

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 04:48 pm (UTC)
I TOTALLY MISSED THAT.

Whew. I feel better. EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW!

(That...actually hurt me to write. I feel there might be brain bleeding.)

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From: [identity profile] tricksterquinn.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:03 pm (UTC)
I read the context. I'm trying to figure out any interpretation of that that makes it, oh, I dunno... not racist, in context. *baffled blink*

I mean, if WE said the Republicans were looking for a "great white hope" we'd be accusing them of being racists. How on EARTH is them affirming it NOT...?

Or did you mean that they were claiming it WASN'T racist out of context? Because that's just... incorrect to the point of me not even thinking that was what you were saying. (Obviously you agree with me, I'm just being baffled over here)

What the flaming fuck?

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
If you try to keep thinking like that, your ears will bleed. *nods knowingly*

*surreptitiously wipes ears*

From: [identity profile] druidspell.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:05 pm (UTC)
I do not even have *WORDS* for that kind of asshattery.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
I was mulling something in interpretive dance?

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From: [identity profile] gchick.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:11 pm (UTC)
I've been boggling and boggling over this one and the boggle keeps coming back -- I mean, I've run into the same flavor of stupid repeatedly when people try to insist that they just didn't know that the phrase "jew someone down" referred to Jews. And... I'm sorry idiot people. When it's RIGHT THERE IN THE WORDS YOU USED? Not that hard to figure out, actually.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 05:12 pm (UTC)
I love how you apply logic. *pets you and points* LOGIC HAS A LIBERAL BIAS YOU KNOW.

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I was totally commenting on this, but it got so long that I decided to just post a entry on my lj. lol Sorry!
Um, my commentary is for the faint of heart. lol
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From: [identity profile] deadlychameleon.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:17 pm (UTC)
Anyone defending her needs to go choke on the irony of that particular reference.

So basically, the white society needs to win against the better, more talented black boxer? Ummmmmm.

Strom Thurmond, who never renounced segregation, has only been out of office 7 years, and that's just one example. The republican party's record isn't exactly pristine on the issue of race.

From: [identity profile] archaeologist-d.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:18 pm (UTC)
I knew the 'Great White Hope' had to do with boxing.

But really??? She said that???? About taking on Obama with a Great White Hope???

I can't believe that .... oh, wait, she's a Republican conservative. Never mind.

*sigh*

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:19 pm (UTC)
I saw that yesterday and facepalmed.

From: [identity profile] claire.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm not really culturally au fait with regard to the meaning of "great white hope", nor have I really heard it used in conversation, but I feel if you're using a racial descriptor to discuss some ideal, then, well you're probably DOING IT WRONG.

From: [identity profile] wrenlet.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:43 pm (UTC)
You beat me to it, I was planning a "'Great White Hope' has NO NON-RACIAL MEANINGS" post. It's implicitly, explicitly, and in all other ways racist. CONTEXT CANNOT FIX THIS, YOU REPUBLICAN ASSHAT.

God, I hate people, because I bet you dollars to donuts any MSM who cover this will take her faux-pology as if it meant something other than bupkis.

From: [identity profile] lydiabell.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 06:48 pm (UTC)
Speaking of things that Republicans do that make your head explode, have you seen this survey (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/gop-reformed-health-care-system-could-discriminate-against-republicans.php) from the RNC?

"The most egregious question: 'It has been suggested that the government could use voter registration to determine a person's political affiliation, prompting fears that GOP voters might be discriminated against for medical treatment in a Democrat-imposed health care rationing system. Does this possibility concern you?'"

From: [identity profile] jujuberry136.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 07:10 pm (UTC)
DON'T YOU KNOW THE LIBERAL MEDIA HAS TWISTED THIS? It's totally not racism because her spokeswomen says so.

*head desk*
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From: [personal profile] aurora Date: 2009-08-28 07:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] akacat Date: 2009-08-28 09:08 pm (UTC)
I knew "great white hope" was racist, but didn't have a clue as to its background.

Now I wonder if anyone in the family knows. Mom's side uses it quite often -- sarcastically.

"Ooh, he must be the great white hope!" == Wow, he sucks.

"They need to find the great white hope for this job." == They've set the standards too high for anyone to meet.

From: [identity profile] shinetheway.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-28 09:23 pm (UTC)
I saw this exactly 38 seconds before my boss walked in the door, so I couldn't comment at the time, but just--oh my god. I'm appalled, I'm enraged, I'm infuriated--and I'm absolutely unsurprised. Seriously, is anyone surprised at this?
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From: [identity profile] pkoceres.livejournal.com Date: 2009-08-29 05:59 am (UTC)
*headdesk*
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From: [personal profile] eosrose Date: 2009-08-31 03:55 am (UTC)
I missed out on this... But OH MY GOODNESS! Sometimes I wonder where people like this come from. Not racist. Bullshit. And all the lies being spread about Obama and health care? How stupid do they think we are? And the worst of it is that people ARE buying into it.

I believe Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show a few weeks ago that it was astonishing that Obama hadn't impeached the American people yet. No one should have to deal with that sort of blind stupidity. My hat is off to him for not strangling anyone yet, no matter how much he must want to.

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