seperis | required reading: invasions of fannish privacy

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Dejana and Ithiliana on invasions of fannish privacy.

Oh...boy. That is NOT GOOD and has some scary, scary implications if this becomes the norm. Good GRIEF.

Hey, fanthropology still has a post public that outs a fan. It looks like it *is* going that way.

...okay, this is very, very disturbing. I don't have many enemies, but with my future career gaols, it could be very damaging. I didn't even know I had a Fan History page. If she had asked, I'd be a lot more okay, but just finding out... I think I need a shower now. And thank god they haven't found any of my LJ posts or fics. But I don't think I can ever post to FF.N again.

Just.....ugh. *shudders*

Even more exciting is fanthropology keeping up a post where a fan is outed publicly.

....I have no words.

A point that outs a fan who has explicity asked people not to.

If, as she insists, everyone in fandom knows the link, then everyone in fandom should also know she has asked people to please not make that link publicly.

And yes, I'm with you on that one.

On top of everything else it's completely creepy how there's apparently a bot creating junk wiki pages. Who lets bots make wikis? They are supposed to be made by communities of people.

I mean, I ignored that crap heap of a wiki from the beginning because when I first encountered partly_bouncy on mailing lists many years ago where she did "fan history" posts, it was like talking to a wall when you wanted to correct her "history", so much so that it was completely ridiculous and I just killfiled her to not see the mailing lists posts that just aggravated me and mentally filed her pseuds under "avoid in the future", but unfortunately she seems to have gotten so much worse since then.

What, you didn't find her lunatic talk all over fca-l to be highly entertaining and "informative"?

Shiiit, that's scary.

I was pretty pissed off after reading both articles....

Jesus Christ. *is seriously freaked out*

Oh. My. God. I had no idea. It's scary to think that fen should do this to each other - it's not the linking of fanish identity and real name per se, but doing so to harm somebody. Damn.

That is seriously fscked up.

I'm not sure if I'm more disturbed by the idea of a wiki being bot-created to put up fan info, or by the fact that the people who run the whole thing keep PUTTING BACK info that the fan community takes down to protect the fandom/real life boundary.

They'll always put back the info that they want up there, even if it's blatantly untrue. It took me over a year to get them to stop calling me a Harmonian (I wrote H/D and H/G; the fact that I think FW's handling of Harmony.com was disgraceful does not mean that I supported H/Hr) and they STILL repost FW Wiki stuff as fact about people. The links to my views on various topics on my page do not link to any of my posts; they link to discussions of my posts on F_W with soundbites quoted out of context. They even spelled my LJ name wrong and so on and it took

white_serpent ages to correct much of it and they wouldn't let her do all the corrections.

I have no idea why Laura decided she wanted to trash me--I never knew her until I found this page--but Heidi said it's probably because of my association with her and former association with Ms Scribe (before Nostry discovered she lied to everyone we knew).

Hey, I don't know if you saw this, but you might get a kick out of it.

http://pics.livejournal.com/commanderteddog/pic/0002yx9t

I really don't know how to take that.... *is confused*

I can't decide if whoever did it is trying to be less of a jerk or more (i.e. referencing some of the posts I made about anti-Semitism during That Time of Year and the Yuletide fiasco). But ... it is kinda funny. :)

There's one for Heidi too, so I'm taking it as a WHEE REVENGE IS SWEET YES! and not a slam. Promise, I wouldn't have linked it if that hadn't been my first reaction. *g*

It wasn't a slam. Trust me.

Yes. It was for the lulz.

Awesome :) What happened?

http://commanderteddog.livejournal.com/507162.html?style=mine
http://slwatson.livejournal.com/156383.html

When she banned me, she forgot to ban my partner in crime and strip her of admin access. So, when Teddog realized she had it, we uh... staged a coup. ::coughs:: Laura was locked out of her own wiki for two hours, and there was some selective editing done. Mostly for the laughs. Some because she's a nutbar.

OMFG AMAZING this is absolutely awesome :)

It's funny, if nothing else!

Awesome. Is there any place they're all collected?

I had totally forgotten about that site, which reminded me I needed to check to see if I'd appeared there yet. And I had, under another name I used to use.

I find the idea of that wiki repugnant to be honest; documenting people without asking their permission to do so. The fact that they have pulled this shit really does not surprise me. The idea that because I've posted online meaning people should be privy to details about me is quite a horrifying concept.

edited at: Date: 2008-07-22 07:34 pm (UTC)

oh, for Christ's sake.

Why would anyone want to know someone elses real name? Other than first names if you're having a conversation, it doesn't need to be known. With all the issues as is, what with possible employers and schools and other seriously important things, shit like this is asking to cause trouble.

so disturbing.

Raised by wolves, I swear.

At least most people seem to be able to resist the urge to link to FH, so she won't get a big bump in her page hits, which appears to be one of her reasons for doing this. The other reasons, of course, being resentment and envy. She's pissing in the fannish pool and figures nobody can punish her for it.

And since she's out to her employers (and presumably her family), I suppose she might be right.

*thoughtful* She is, yes. She's very well linked up with a lot of events and arguments now.

She might have been gone from a list you and I used to have in common by the time you were active on it...she had serious issues with how fan authors became "popular" or "influential" (especially if she wasn't particularly fond of those authors' stories...)

Oh sweet Jaysus, what a mess it all is, I see now. I shall go back to my corner and resume my inner mantra of obliviousness, I think. It just never occurs to me, I mean truly - I never see things like this coming, because it never occurs to me that anybody would DO this stuff.

I'll just be over there, researching the arctic musk-ox.

Musk ox stew?

....yes, I'm reading a lot of Due South fic, why do you ask?

I'm picturing Ray's face when Frasier tries to explain muskox stew...probably about the same expression that Rodney would wear *G*. If there hasn't been a Due South/SGA crossover, there really should be.

There's been at least two I know of, though I only remember reading one.

The secret is, never tell what meat it is. That is basically how people expand my eating. It's a Don't Ask Don't Tell culinary edition.

Rodney...*falls over* I cannot imagine.

AW man, I'd pay money to see someone feed that to Rodney :)

This is such a distressing violation of privacy.

Oh, gosh. This is scary. At least my page was only about FF.net profile. I'd rather have it be bot created than have people contributing to it. Thank goodness it doesn't link to my LJ or youtube or anything. O_O

I think OTW members should be transparent about who they are. That being said, no one should have that decision taken away from them. But it's hypocrisy to say your trying to legitimize fanworks and then saying oh wait don't want to have my life connected to it in any way...like it's something embarrassing. Are OTW accepting money for their cause, btw? If they are then I think they should be even more transparent. I would want to know who I'm giving my money to if I agreed with what the OTW were doing. Just my two cents.

I'd agree if people were as good as they should be. Since they don't; since they harass, stalk, call employers, cause people RL problems, I'm not going to ask of them what I certainly wouldn't ask of myself.

As ithiliana illustrated, embarrassing is the very least of problems. Being a civil servant myself, embarrassment is far less a problem than coworkers, bosses, or say, interviewing for a promotion.

I understand this but aren't OTW member out there in a substantial way. They were on NPR. I'm not trying to sound harsh but I think it's a little funny that OTW. who are there to provide what I'm assuming is legal support to fans, are worried about their names being on the books. Eventually won't they be out there if OTW receives more attention from the press or actually have to step in with lawyers to help out a fan. OTW seems like a charity/corporation and not some run of the mill, fan-made archive. Therefore, I don't think it's right for them to accept money without being transparent about who they are. They have a board for goodness sake. I don't think it's professional with all their stated goals to act this way.

I don't. As a member of OTW and a coder on the archive, and a person who did give money and will give more, I do not give a flying flip who they are if the possibility their actual lives and incomes could be affected by this. My curiosity is not and will never be more important than their lives. To even set those in comparison is anathema.

Your mileage varies. And I'd like to end this conversation now.

You seem to be leaving variations of this comment everywhere I've looked today, and not necessarily in context with anything else being discussed. Is there a reason?

Everywhere as in two or three places...

Considering there wasn't a discussion in this entry but a link? And not about OTW? I find that odd. And I'd say more than two.

Hi, I'm a member of the Development and Membership Committee. Yes, the OTW accepts donations. It is because the OTW is a nonprofit organisation with legal status in the US that the board members are serving under their real names.

That US law rightly requires you to be a real person if you are representing a nonprofit and that some fans I have spoken to lately, including yourself, want to be assured of real fandom bona fides is certainly an interesting situation we all find ourselves in. This is an issue the organisation as a whole will need to discuss in the future.

If you have more questions I'd be happy to answer them at copracat at livejournal dot com or you can email the Development and Membership Committee: development at transformativeworks dot org. If you're concerned with transparency you might be interested in the OTW's first financial report here and the FAQ which answers questions about organisational structure, finances and membership here.

Thank you so much. That cleared up a lot of confusion for me. I'll definitely check out the links.

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