Wednesday, June 11th, 2008 10:23 am

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Okay, it's been two years, and say you suddenly receive a reply to feedback from circa 2006? You have to understand. My formative fannish years were in Trek and [livejournal.com profile] dalaire can tell you, everyone always answered feedback or it was death, okay? (Okay, that was in the newbie packet I was given, so they may have lied to me. I own my neurotic tendencies). So I cannot, physically, see a comment that I haven't answered and not answer it. Sometimes with a sad apology. I blame society. Fannish society.

Just--bear with me. I was doing some tag maintenance and then--well. Yeah. Sorry about that.

From: [identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:25 pm (UTC)
It's like thank you notes = feedback. It hangs over my head until I DO IT.

And this from someone who should have gotten over the whole thank you note thing long ago. ::rolls eyes::

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:36 pm (UTC)
*glumly* Social weirdness ftw!

From: [identity profile] drlense.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:30 pm (UTC)
I am suddenly nostalgic for the PTFever list.

...wait, no I'm not. :D

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:36 pm (UTC)
Hey, I still remember the very first flame war I ever saw, about B'Elanna's fluffy white wedding dress.

I *still* remember being *shocked* people *argued like that*!

From: [identity profile] drlense.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:42 pm (UTC)
I remember being in IIRC and mentioning something about Garak/Bashir, in a very brief way, and being sent a private *NO SLASH PLEASE* message. :D

There were some very nice people and some REAL weirdos on that list. And Victoria Bitter! Back before she was Victoria Bitter. :D

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:46 pm (UTC)
Okay, so she *was* on PTFever, wasn't she? Same voyagerbabe? Left for dS for a bit then came back? I HAD WONDERED BECAUSE I RECOGNIZED THE NAME. I did not yell holy shit, but I totally wanted to.

From: [identity profile] drlense.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:49 pm (UTC)
Yup! I remembered her when the whole thing first went down- she wrote this absolutely GORY story where Tom and B'Elanna were captured and kept by some huge aliens and ended up all tortured and emaciated and stuff? I think they were gladiators or something. I'm not sure.

Anyway I think it was the only story she wrote, but it really stayed with me and when I saw her name in that wank I was like "oh, THAT chick?!"

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 03:51 pm (UTC)
...I'm going to have to go look for that one now. Dammit.

So--she's like touched every fandom, yes?

From: [identity profile] drlense.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 04:08 pm (UTC)
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/6102/home.html

And here's the story (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/6102/shadheart.htm)!

Wow, I'm going to have to reread this.
edited at: Date: 2008-06-11 04:09 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 04:46 pm (UTC)
Huh. I never read this one, and seriously, I burned through every PT story I could find back then.

*settles, worried*

From: [identity profile] bruinsfan.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 01:14 am (UTC)
You have no idea. [/Jeremy Irons voice]

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 01:17 am (UTC)
*winces* It was my brush with wanky fame. So close! Yet so happily far, far away.

From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 01:24 am (UTC)
Hey, I still remember the very first flame war I ever saw, about B'Elanna's fluffy white wedding dress.

How did I not see this lovely remembrance when I read through the first time?!

Such good times! It'd been coming on for a while, but when it arrived, it was so worth the wait. I cooked popcorn before downloading my mail for a few nights, there. :^D

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 01:30 am (UTC)
*g* I was too shellshocked. OMG WTF! But in n00b, so it was "oh no, is the list going to vanish now?" Then I got used to it.

Hmm. And the discussion about the gay planet one? Was that on PTF? The one by Melanie?

Then ASCEML killed my ability to ever be surprised by flaming at the drop of a participle or a Spock reference. *sighs* Good times.

From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 02:59 am (UTC)
Gay planet??? Oh man, I forget! I want to know! I will so go through the Yahoo archives to find it if someone says it was on PTF.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 03:15 am (UTC)
I don't remember if it was posted on-list or just announced, but it's the one where Tom and Harry go to that planet and the planet makes them gay, there is sex, then they come back and have a threesome before the gay wears off with B'Elanna.

From: [identity profile] 2naonh3-cl2.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 07:34 pm (UTC)
Haha! I had wondered why I had gotten that response to that comment, now. I sat there and had to read it twice before I even remembered what it was a comment to. Lol.
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From: [identity profile] loriel-eris.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-11 09:11 pm (UTC)
Just so you know (and this is not to make you feel guilty if you don't do it, but to let you know that when you do do it, it is much appreciated), I get more squeeful over replies to feedback I've left that I do over actual feedback that's left on either of my two fics.

I was sitting reading your comments in my inbox and I was a) squeeful over feedback replies and b) getting all flaily and squeeful over the actual fic, despite the fact I was literally only reading my comments and your replies.

So yeah, much appreciate the time you took to respond to the feedback. And you are so very awesome for it.

And god, I cannot (and do not) have time to go back and read Strangerverse for the umpteen millionth time. *desperately tries to restrain self*

From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 12:02 am (UTC)
everyone always answered feedback or it was death, okay?

snorfle! God, that is so, so true.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 12:06 am (UTC)
I was very, very conditioned. I am still vaguely freaked out that no other fandom has *official codes* in an established order like Trek does. It *bothers me*. People will call something Clark/Lex or Lex/Clark! NO SINGLE LETTER/SINGLE LETTER! THERE SHOULD BE A STANDARD.

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From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 12:14 am (UTC)
I was trained from feedback #1. Terry Miles, who nudged me into letting him read Ire, gave me all the Trekfic netiquette before I got to PTF. Even then, back in '98, he was able to list the consequences of not giving polite response. Cripes, I was scared to death by these strange, strange people by the time I got on list. ;^)

I am still vaguely freaked out that no other fandom has *official codes*...

YES! It weirds me out, too, that so few think to pull in that excellent system (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.startrek.creative/browse_thread/thread/b6de9175d136a74f?hl=en#). If the author person wrote or read Trek at one point, it really shows.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 12:23 am (UTC)
I had Jamelia. Netiquette, fannish netiquette, *mailing list* netiquette, then ASC netiquette, along with unwritten rules, how to cut and paste a fic into multiple chapters, feedback rules, while beta'ing my first fic.

ES! It weirds me out, too, that so few think to pull in that excellent system. If the author person wrote or read Trek at one point, it really shows.

I love the system; I miss the system. I'm just eternally grateful that for the most part, fandom tends to agree on the code for the show itself.

I miss single letter pairing codes. *sad* They made life so much easier.

*bites lip* then again, keep in mind I tried to use the ASC awards format for Smallville. You'd be surprised by the number of people who were horrified by the idea of using feedback for voting. It was pretty awesome. And made fandom_wank.

From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 12:28 am (UTC)
I had Jamelia.

Who is in every way excellent. Great, great lady.

I tried to use the ASC awards format for Smallville....

I am so sorry I missed that! That had to be such good times.

In between the thousand other things, I've been prepping to shoot Guerdon up onto ASC. Yay! Codes! It was fun to run the whole list again. I miss that on LJ.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 02:24 am (UTC)
Oh man, I remember cutting for ASC. I had it down to *word* at one time. And for mailing lists. it's kind of surreal. I remember learning LJ for the first time, when I had to cut the same as mailing lists, then when I got high speed, it went up dramatically to around 23 pages (give or take a paragraph).

From: [identity profile] dalaire.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 02:54 am (UTC)
I am so impressed! I was paranoid, sure, but still a little lazy about getting it just right. But most of my stuff is brain-numbingly long; no one seemed to notice when I sloshed over. ;^)

23 pages. LOL. I did, too, when I realized I could. I'll suffer for my newfound laziness, too, I know. That latest tome's a healthy ~298K words. I'm sure I'll be whining loudly by Part 5/4728. ;^)
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From: [identity profile] cheights.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 02:07 am (UTC)
It *bothers me*. People will call something Clark/Lex or Lex/Clark! NO SINGLE LETTER/SINGLE LETTER! THERE SHOULD BE A STANDARD.

LMAO, oh I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has those thoughts. *g* And then the whole CLEX thing threw me, because I kept thinking, but no, the pairing codes must be by seniority or age. Who knew when we left Trek that we'd have to brave fandoms without pairing code standards. ;-)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-12 02:15 am (UTC)
That part was totally not in the newbie fandom manual.

From: [identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com Date: 2008-06-17 05:52 am (UTC)
Oh, man. I've done this.

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