Mea culpa.

This is where I say, I have never been mistaken for a literary snob because if it's written in a language I can read, it's likely I'll read it (my reading Finnish and reading Spanish were always about ten times better than my spoken. Well, not now. Now my reading Finnish is mostly an ability to recognize the case of any verb I see. May not know the verb, but I know with that suffix, the bastard means under the. Sometimes). However, I will admit I have never really seen the attraction of the political thriller, the spy novel, or the mystery. If it wasn't sff, horror, or historical, I just wasn't all that interested.

(There was also the novels of Gor, which one day, God willing, I will talk about how that really should have prepared me more for fandom than it did. Mostly, it was my personal rebellion: I covered it with paper and read about enslaved branded women during class feeling very rebellious when my eighth grade teacher denied me Lord of the Flies on the grounds I was too young. I stole it from the high school library; wow, was that a letdown. Seriously. Still bitter. This was also the year of Flowers in the Attic (and related) and Virginia Henley's purple prose. That I survived is still a mystery.)

(Also, I once had a summer of John Grisham that proved to me I did in fact have a secret masochistic tendency. It was all there was to read. A part of me believes at least a portion of my need to write stems from the fact that I never want to be in a position again where my choices are various terrifying religious texts, re-reading The Seven Towers to the point of being able to recite chapters, or ten John Grisham novels. That was a dark time. A very dark time.)

(We won't even discuss John Saul or Dean Koontz. Those were dark days and directly related to, I think, a secret desire to die. There's really no other justification.)

(I'll stop the parenthesis now.)

The Bourne Identity is surprising me. This is very, very readable and is not bogging down in unnecessary detail. And I have to admit, I am kinda impressed he isn't screwing up his pronouns when one character as yet has no name, is referred to as the patient, and the fact he is doing this is not irritating me at all.

Fine. I was totally unconsciously judgmental. I totally cop to it.

From: [identity profile] miss-porcupine.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-03 11:31 pm (UTC)
The books are extremely dated, but excellent reads. It'll make you both appreciate the changes the screenwriters had to make -- technology makes everything different -- and a little frustrated at the changes they made that boil down to laziness or randomness. (Almost everything to do with Marie falls into the latter.)
edited at: Date: 2008-05-03 11:31 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:52 am (UTC)
The Marie stuff--yeah. I dont' entirely get why they did that. I kind of see why they switched the plot around so much though; I'm not sure that it would play to an audience now so far from the Cold War (much less Vietnam and still keeping his age). Following now is what you fear is your own government, I can mostly see they kept the spirit (such as they could) and stripped the rest.

The only thing I can think with Marie is that a.) they wanted to appeal to a younger (male) audience, and two, they weren't sure what to do if they took away her financial contribution, which was part and parcel with the rest. It was lazy. I can think of several ways they could have shifted her with the plot, but *shrugs*. I assume they were trying to simplify the story more.

At least in the books she survives. *sighs*
I posted the text below to my LJ yesterday, and it occurs to me Jason Bourne and John Sheppard would fit nicely:


I wish for a multi-fandom _Tale of Two Cities/Scarlet Pimpernel_ Fic, Art, Vid, etc. Fest. Any rating. Any fandom. Slash, het, gen... whatever. First time, friendship, romance, h/c, darkfic, humor, etc. Writers pick either of the two works or blend elements of both. They go short as drabbles or long as novels -- series, even. I dream of vids, wallpapers, banners, covers, icons which bring your worlds alive.

Transfer the French Revolution to the Pegasus Galaxy, to Princeton-Plainsboro Hospital, to Hogwarts, to the Impala, to Metropolis, to Los Angeles before the Terminators, to Cardiff, to the Tardis, to Bandom, to your favorite wealthy RPS boys' concerts or trailers or hotels or mansions....

Class warfare. Caste systems. Mistaken identity. Masks. Cross-dressing. Doppelgangers. Doublecrosses. Decadant aristocratic gatherings. Beautiful clothes dragged through streets running with blood. Threat of the guillotine. Knitting. Playing the fop to disappoint those your character loves, and then secretly leading heroic missions. Your hero sacrificing her/his life - or something precious if you loathe deathfic - when no one expects that sort of act from her/him. Offering comfort to another while on the way to execution or loss. Belief a spouse works for the enemy and finding proof s/he does. An unhappy marriage which finds its happy resolution. Whatever other permutation you want.

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Even if you don't want to participate, please consider passing it on. Add to the suggestions any way you wish.
I'll paste it tomorrow! It sounds neat!
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From: [personal profile] aurora Date: 2008-05-04 12:10 am (UTC)
I've only read the first Bourne novel (in Bulgarian!), but I remember I had a great time reading it.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:52 am (UTC)
It was a *lot* of fun. A lot.

From: [identity profile] nymphaea1.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 01:15 am (UTC)
I have read all manner of wretched books due to my inability to go to sleep without reading. And until I was 28 I literally could not not finish a book or story once I started reading it. So I found myself reading the absolute worst crap, consciously horrified of what I was reading, and yet totally unable to stop. It wasn't until I came across a fanfic that put me in such an anger that something in my head finally broke that I was ever able to stop that. So I feel you on the Grisham thing, having slogged my way through more than one. (Though if you've never watched the movie The Rainmaker, I'd highly recommend it as it has an adorably young Matt Damon in it).

I've only read the first Bourne novel though I remember being really engaged by it and being impressed both by novel-Bourne's ingenuity and how the movie makers had translated that to modern technology.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:53 am (UTC)
I think I've seen--hmm. A Time to Kill, The Firm, and The Rainmaker. My memory is sketchy. *thoughtful*

From: [identity profile] robotjen.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 01:15 am (UTC)
I read the Bourne Identity before I saw the movie (which, of course, didn't matter because the movie's so different) and I really liked it. I think I picked up one of the sequels and wasn't as intrigued (although, of course, Marie SURVIVES, which I love; could one spy franchise keep around the girl at some point, please??)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:55 am (UTC)
I hold out the hope that if the fourth movie is made, it will be significant that we never saw her body pulled from the river and though Landy asked for e report on what ahppened in India, it was never brought up again. I do not ask much of the world, but I do ask that.

It's a *tiny* thing. *hopeful*
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From: [personal profile] kernezelda Date: 2008-05-04 01:43 am (UTC)
I enjoyed the first two Bourne books, but not so much later; Ludlum's style gets to me in too large doses. A book of his that I've read several times is The Road to Gandolfo, which is a spy thriller/comedy, very surprising combo that surprisingly worked.

Gor! I read a bunch of those in high school, which likely explains a lot about me; but my mom hid them from me, so of course I rooted them out and went to the library for more until I'd glutted myself on all ones in print at the time. (Note: Mom was a librarian, so I was there frequently, and could get books from the employee only area so that no one interfered with my selections.) Sharon Green wrote a lot of similar ones, fyi.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:55 am (UTC)
Hee! Gor was just--so surreal it never really penetrated. Now I look back and flinch and yet am intrigued.

From: [identity profile] forestgreen.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 03:11 am (UTC)
Maybe I should give the books a try. I haven't read them either.

I just ordered them in Amazon. This is somehow your fault; I just haven't discovered how as of yet. And here I thought I was the manipulative one. *frowns*

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:56 am (UTC)
*grins* Tell me what you think. I finished the first tongith and will start the second tomorrow. Much looking forward to it.

From: [identity profile] forestgreen.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 09:37 am (UTC)
I ordered the trilogy and should have it here tomorrow or the day after, depending on how fast amazon hurries to obey my evil orders.

I'll let you know what I think.

Have fun reading the second.
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From: [personal profile] amalthia Date: 2008-05-04 04:06 am (UTC)
oh man John Saul and Dean Koontz's works did not survive the test of time. I'm so glad I read them when I was 12 and 13 because I'm pretty sure I would have disliked the books if I had to read them now.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 06:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, they really--don't. *twitch*
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From: [personal profile] cofax7 Date: 2008-05-04 07:10 am (UTC)
I liked the first and second Bourne books: after that they degenerate rather badly. What I mostly recall is mostly people running around and lots of yelling in all caps.

My favorite Ludlum is either Bourne or The Matarese Circle, which is all secret societies and conspiracies and the like. Very old-school.

We shall not talk of Gor, except to point out that Kate Elliott has redeemed giant eagles for me. *g*

From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 08:10 am (UTC)
Oh The Matarese Circle I remember that one.

I think I might just hop over to your journal and ask you something...

From: [identity profile] mad-jaks.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 08:06 am (UTC)
I enjoyed reading the Bourne Identity when I was about seventeen. The film - even before it came out - drove me nuts because I just kept thinking wtf, Matt Damon? He's a *baby*. NO WAY! And yes I've watched the film - and totally screamed at the tv while doing so. And then I went and got the book out of the library to show my kids the error of their ways and (here's the hard part) could *not* finish reading it because the writing drove me up the wall :S

btw Eighth Grade - isn't that 13 year olds? I seem to remember we read 'Lord of the Flies' as a set book in schools over here when I was about that age...

From: [identity profile] apetslife.livejournal.com Date: 2008-05-04 04:46 pm (UTC)
I was completely addicted to the Ludlum books--all of them--when I was in my teens. And I actually found myself disappointed when the movies deviated from the book plots! Granted, the technology in the books does not really age well, but I was completely addicted anyway. *grin* I loved the pacing, the characters were badass and cool, and for braincandy, they are immensely readable and enjoyable.

(oh god, GOR. Do you know there are people who are actually trying to live the "Gorean Lifestyle" out there? Trufax. It's the most appalling thing EVER, especially because so many of them are so incredibly serious about this.)

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