Screw with interests.

Or.

Remove basic to offer an exciting new level of account called sponsored users. Wait, you say. Isn't that plus?

Ah, no. At least, I don't think so.

Actually, I could be wrong, because I can't read code for shit yet. But as part of trying to work out classes, I started reading LJ code to get used to the patterns.

LJ Change Log, February 27, 2008.

I was looking at this:



+##
+## Returns possible domain for choosing sponsors.
+## Sponsor domain is defined for all users, not only in class 'sponsored'
+## When choosing a sponsor, domain of sponsor and user must match
+##
+sub get_sponsor_domain {
+ my $u = shift;
+ return 'sup' if LJ::SUP->is_sup_enabled($u);
+ return '6a';
+}
+
+##
+## Is user eligible for 'sponsored' account?
+##
+sub can_be_sponsored {
+ my $u = shift;
+ # all 'paid' account types - Paid, Permanent, Sponsored can not become Sponsored
+ return 0 if $u->get_cap('paid');
+ # is sponsors of user's domain enabled?
+ my $d = $u->get_sponsor_domain;
+ return 0 unless $LJ::SPONSOR_DOMAINS{$d} && $LJ::SPONSOR_DOMAINS{$d}->{enabled};
+ return 1;
+}
+
+sub sees_sponsored_in_matrix {
+ my $u = shift;
+ # is sponsors of user's domain enabled?
+ my $d = $u->get_sponsor_domain;
+ return 0 unless $LJ::SPONSOR_DOMAINS{$d} && $LJ::SPONSOR_DOMAINS{$d}->{enabled};
+ return 1;
+}
+



I thought they meant communities. Not so much, since those already exist, so why bother with this?

Sponsored Accounts FAQ (coming soon)

And google search with some fascinating insights into how to go about getting oneself a sponsor. Still haven't turned up a TOS or FAQ yet, but possibly it's not yet online.

And this weird one (shows up on several of the google pages): Sponsored accounts are cool!

Okay, I am perfectly aware I could be reading the code wrong and this is actually plus with a new name. Except I don't think so. Also kind of amused if I'm reading this right that they've been working on the removal of basic accounts since October, the same time they started adding in the sponsored code.

Feel free to correct if I'm wrong; again, I'm reading for pattern, not literally, so for all I know, they're switching names around or something. It *could* be communities, but from what I can read on the classes, this isn't the community based coding. Nor is most of the stuff from google referring to communities instead of users.

ETA: Extra links

LJ Russian Interests Removed, picked up by [livejournal.com profile] mecurtin (supplement to [livejournal.com profile] stewardess's post on interests.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but are there better options?

Seriously, I keep staring at this and thinking, okay, so could *we* buy Livejournal somehow? *rolls eyes at self* Me and my lack of any financial sense speaketh!

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:05 pm (UTC)
Right NOW? No I don't think so. But 18 months from now could be a very different landscape, what we need are stop gap measures and temporary solutions, etc. And for IJ to finish fixing some of its code. I'd rather we remain in someplace not so amazing till a much better solution presents, than to completely split off. If that means IJ 50% of the time, okay. But I don't think it's the ultimate solution.

As for if we COULD, well-- no, not as it stands now I think. If they went onto an open market, I *THINK* a plan could be devised via stock. But it would take a lot of organization and money and probably a dummy corp ala OTW (similar structure maybe) and we all know who well fans perceive anything structured.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:16 pm (UTC)
Like herding cats. *G* That is what makes us scary.

*thoughtful* Assuming we survive, I kind of want to time how long it takes for LJ to freak out SUP. Considering how utterly floored SA was every time we, you know, communicated our displeasure, it's kind of funny.
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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:15 pm (UTC)
*Butting in to ask*

Apparently OTW plans to have the archive running sometime in August. Do we think that housing fic off LJ in that archive or on other journals - such as IJ & JF - might buy fandom time? i.e. so that it wouldn't be a case of fragmenting or decentralising - just a case of linking further a-field rather than decamping?

What we gained here was multi-fannish behaviour and the cross-polination of inspiration I feel. As well as... oh, you know friends!

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:18 pm (UTC)
I'm hoping it might--we have yet to be specifically targeted, and I'm casually checking every so often the comms most likely to get the axe first. It's--confusing. I can't figure out if they're trying to nudge us out or just being obtuse business people. It's not like most of us would be okay with using lj only for non-fandom, non-fic related purposes and move our fic somewhere slse--for a lot of us, I think it's an all or nothing.
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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:32 pm (UTC)
I think it's an all or nothing.

I suppose my opinion comes from not wanting to lose what we have before can have something better and not being forced to lose - contacts, friends, meta, thoughts, community, etc - at gunpoint.

But I do know how you feel, especially as it's increasingly about the money they make off the content we produce.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:33 pm (UTC)
Yes, exactly. I dont' want to lose that either. I'm hoping--crazy, I know--that it doesn't come to that.

*crosses fingers*
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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:38 pm (UTC)
In the days when OTW was first conceived there was talk of blogging software.

Have you heard anything about that more recently?

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:39 pm (UTC)
The word is Archive First. Which I agree with. A project of creating journaling software would be at LEAST as big as the archive, with more server side complications. There was a vague "yes, but after we're started, in the long term, probably" which is a decent answer considering.
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From: [personal profile] trobadora Date: 2008-03-16 11:43 pm (UTC)
I'm wondering if they might be convinced to turn that into a definite "yes". It'd be great to know there was an alternative coming.
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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:47 pm (UTC)
Rather than buying LJ would it be out of the question for fandom, through OTW - or OTW with fandom - to buy into IJ? And build on something that's already half in place?

Or would part ownership leave fandom unprotected in future, in terms of the majority owner selling out and on?
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From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:49 pm (UTC)
The problem with the LJ clones are that you're subject to if/when LJ gives code releases and on what. It's still open source, but I think even code releases don't give you everything. LJ has a lot of really awesome functionality, but I think in the long run, it'd be better to start over as they did with the archive, listing the most popular features, etc.

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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:44 pm (UTC)
I concurr 100% that the Archive has to come first. I'd then say that the fanfic retrieval (i.e. fic lost from websites that vanished) comes second. Then? We'll be looking for a communication hub of some sort I imagine.

*fingers crossed that we survive in some similar/recognisable form until then*

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:50 pm (UTC)
Agreed with Ami on that one--I'd like a definite yes, too. I'd *love* if they used Lj's source so we could transfer over stressfree, but I have no idea what will come out of that one. Hopefully something good.

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:52 pm (UTC)
The reason why I'm not so worried about using LJ's source is that the people who would be working on it KNOW the questions of compatibility with backing up and moving will come up. I kinda trust them to take that into account. Along with things like a better version of style=mine (one that's integrated into the source code/options better) etc.
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From: [personal profile] trobadora Date: 2008-03-16 11:45 pm (UTC)
It's not like most of us would be okay with using lj only for non-fandom, non-fic related purposes and move our fic somewhere slse--for a lot of us, I think it's an all or nothing.

Yes, absolutely. That is - or was - the beauty of LJ: to have it all in one place. The people, the fic, everything. I really don't want to see that ripped apart, and yet it's looking more and more likely.

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:18 pm (UTC)
I think, as I said-- somewhere above, is that we need new measures. One of them is, yes, moving most content off LJ. I.E. Link to fic and images. Now there was some bruhaha over linking itself, but I think that basic linking isn't going to cause the same amount of issue.

Personally I'd also up the sex talk in general. Have frank and open discussions about various aspects, all legal, all about adults and all with fair warning to kidlets.

But I can't decide if that's a good thing to have around for the next extra special move LJ might make-- or my own personal vengeance coming out.

Personally LJ wins in terms of backend support, features, 3rd party extras and a host of other things. Which is why I want to stick with it for now.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:20 pm (UTC)
*thoughtful* I think, for me, is that I want to do it all or nothing, which is why I'm wary about this. If they don't want everything that comes with my posts--that's fanfic and fandom and random--then they don't get anything at all, if that makes sense.

That's what makes it scary for me. I don't want this half and half.

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:22 pm (UTC)
Hmm see, I'm not sure I'd change any of your general posting content. Even for snippets, etc. But instead of posting fic direct to LJ and then updating your site later-- I suggest just breaking down and doing the html right then.
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From: [identity profile] boji.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:34 pm (UTC)
Now there was some bruhaha over linking itself, but I think that basic linking isn't going to cause the same amount of issue.


This I clearly remembered. I wish there was a way for their to be a concensus decision for fandom but there's no way that will happen ;-)

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From: [personal profile] ratcreature Date: 2008-03-16 10:49 pm (UTC)
Considering that SUP paid something like 30 million dollar for LJ according to the news article about the deal, iirc, I really don't think it is either worth it or possible.

From: [identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:51 pm (UTC)
When I say possible, I mean possible in the most broad sense of the term. Assuming a lot of variables. And I wasn't referring to outright purchase, but if it were to end up on the stock market, I can see a future where it MIGHT be possible, probable is another story entirely.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 11:07 pm (UTC)
I like possible!

From: [identity profile] everysecondtues.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:34 pm (UTC)
Have you considered JournalFen? I'm definitely going to get on the ball and start backing things up over there, and maybe start actually using it seriously for more than F_W now.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2008-03-16 10:59 pm (UTC)
I have a journalfen and insanejournal. I'm just horribly spoiled by LJ's functionality. *sighs* I need to get over that soon. Maybe sooner than I really want to.

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