because it is very early and I'm very awake

The horrible danger of insomnia combined with friendsfriends--God. It's *crack*. I am totally understanding the draw. Currently working on avoiding ep reviews nad spoilers, since I haen't watched The Return yet.

Anyway, while cruising along, I came across an entry--oh, just an entry of SGA squee, pre-episode, mentioning this and that and then, randomly at the end, a sudden diatribe against Joe Flanigan's acting skills. There was generalized horror and repugnance and the usual--weirdly usual, almost rote--discussion of the level of suckitude, so normal I don't even *notice* with any more than a blink.

Huh, I said, and as usual, skimmed and wandered off.

But it being five in the morning, I thought, well. It's fandom, and this is what we do. We sit around dissecting shows, characters, and actors. So I have to ask, because I can--um, what the hell?

I don't pretend to be anything close to an expert on acting, other than hoping Keanu Reeves is given few lines at any given time and a lot of really good shots of him being hot. That's as far as I get on appreciating this nebulous realm of 'good' versus 'bad'. But the fairly constant discussion of Joe Flanigan's lack of talent, lack of emoting, lack of this, lack of that--often paired up, oddly enough, with essays on David Hewlett's brilliance at whatever the poster has watched/did watch/is watching--it really makes me wonder. Otherwise squeeful individuals break into really *sudden* critiques of things like how Joe performed a ten second facial expression during a scene, or lapse into--and this is what's jarring, I'm reading along on meta and halfway through the paragraph just--boom. This sudden really *odd* invective. And at first it was annoying, then I progressed to the shrug/personal taste, then I started to doubt myself and wonder if there was something wrong with *me* that I wasn't climbing on the Joe Sucks At His Job Bandwagon, and progressed to think, wait. Am I sitting here thinking I need to *look* for reasons to critique an actor because half my fandom spends quality time--and a serious number of entries--telling me that he sucks? Was my John bias showing?

Wait, I thought. I like the character of John. The character is played by Joe, who plays the character of John in a way I like. Ergo, I think I like how Joe does his job. I remembered the stuff thepouncer sent me and thought, huh. I liked that, too. That was kind of a relief.

I think at this point, it's just the build-up of seeing it so often--wow, so damned often, Jesus--and seeing it, not always, but a good chunk of the time, in direct contrast to a meta on DH's fantastical talent. Long, long entries on fantastical talent. Long, long entries on fantastical talent and etcetera. And you know, the coolness is there to love the actor. What I can't quite work out is how slamming Joe comes into a essay about how great DH is. Is that--supporting evidence or something? That kind of loses me in wondering what on earth the point is. I'm not sure how repeating in various formats how *much* Joe sucks is somehow going to make the DH adulation more convincing. I mean, I was sort of convinced without it? Then I just got irritated.

So I had this thought. It's a stupid thought, but then, everyone has stupid thoughts and they post them anyway. I was wondering, is there a direct correlation between how dramatic/flamboyant a character is--think McKay, Lex Luthor, Lionel Luthor, Justin Taylor--and the higher incident of actor popularity? I'm thinking of how TW in SV also picked up a lot of flack for being a sucky actor, with the exception of the times he was very flamboyant--Red comes to mind, and the beginning of season three that I can never remember the name of. Or Brian, for that matter in QaF.

Hmm. I feel this weird need to ponder this, but I also feel a real need to clean my bathroom, and neither are getting done at this second, because my greater need is to blankly stare at my flist in hopes I'll get sleepy. I'm just--weirded out by it, I think.

Comments

[clarkangel.livejournal.com]

That'll teach me to post without reading everything.

Even if people just want to check out the great fics. And we really can open it up to discussion.

Otherwise, I'll happily wait for some skilled person to start a new place. ::Nods::

[kodiak-bear.livejournal.com]

You know, we could switch it to a Sheppard/Joe comm? Our main focus when we started it up was a place for Sheppard fic, and we just went with H/C because that's our thing. But it can be a catch-all place. We'd need to do a poll on the comm and see if a majority would be okay with it, and then we can alter the comm to encapsulate more and I agree with the episode discussions too. Anyway, we can take this to email and go from there cause now we're just cluttering up Seperis's journal.

[trobadora]

Just one thing, though - the comm name contains the h/c, and that might be a problem?

But you're right, we should really stop spamming seperis's journal now! *g*

[kodiak-bear.livejournal.com]

I've sent an email off to the two other maintainers to see about changing the comm to reflect all aspects of Sheppard and Joe or opening another comm just for that purpose.

If a majority is okay with just altering the comm, we'll change the name to reflect that. The name can be changed, right? ::showing her LJ stupidity:: And yeah, I can see her cringing and thinking 'not the topic guys'! (promise will stop)

[trobadora]

LJ names can be changed, yeah, if you want to spend the money on it: FAQ #25

Really stopping now. *g*

[seperis.livejournal.com]

*hysterical giggling* I honestly do not care.

But if either of you decide instead to start a new comm or something? Or if you alter this one? Please tell me so I can join and pimp.

[kodiak-bear.livejournal.com]

I've posted a poll on it so I will let you know. The members I know personally would probably be all for it but there are members I'm not familiar with. Thanks for the link to the FAQ trobadora, paying a little wouldn't bother me to change the name. ::sigh:: some things in life are worth a little and JoeF is one of them. (that was a happy fangirl sigh, btw!)