Saturday, August 19th, 2006 11:25 am

morning mmm

A lot of personal happiness in fandom can be assured by really *good* filters and never looking directly at the newsletter's episode review section. Though now that the warnings debates have passed, I can say truthfully that if we could adopt a standard of warnings for episode reviews? I would not object.

1.) McKay Unfriendly (acronym: MU) - he reminds me of that guy in work that totally fucked up my presentation, and right, there's no actual resemblance but I'm projecting here! And no matter what he does in this ep? It sucks because he sucks and should die die die and then eat a lemon, and this time a real one! Look! Mean to everyone! Kill him!

2.) Sheppard Unfriendly (acronym: SU) - he reminds me of that football player in high school that used to stuff me in the locker. Well, no, I have no proof he was anythinglike that guy, but I totally need to project here and get over my teen trauma! So everything he does in this ep is obviously wrong adn evil and meant to keep Rodney down! Bastard!

3.) Anyone But McKay/Sheppard Unfriendly (GAY) (Gave up on acronyms) - Wait. This isn't a gay space pirate show? Sure it is! THey just keep forgetting and doing other shit. Quit that!

4.) Show Unfriendly (STUPID) - I am watching this specifically to unload my vitriolic hatred on an unsuspecting population. For. Every. Episode.

Commentary

You know, I need to do a count, but I think we're near a hundred stories called and a lot finished. ther'es still--er--six weeks until the end fo the challenge. I sort of didn't expect everyone jumping-to. Huh. Nice.

Snippets

Staring at anything in my WIP folder over twenty thousand words makes me morose. I really just want to snippet randomly and drink a lot of coffee. So. Offering up Strangerverse if you are following it--anything particular you want to see? Besides Sheppard/AUMcKay sex, cause right now that would be traumaizing. For me, I mean. Orgasms are always good. I just have this horrible suspicion my inner-twelve-year old would break free and have them crying during profoundly good anal sex.

But snippets! Maybe working outside my own head would help.

Also, Mr. Waffles sprayed me again. No matter how many times I'm told this is a sign of affection? I'm wondering.

From: [identity profile] scribblinlenore.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:42 pm (UTC)
Hee! I totally applaud and support your ratings system. The (STUPID) designation in particular would be so very, very handy.

From: [identity profile] pyrae.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:42 pm (UTC)
Agreed on the review acronyms, especially the last one. Don't watch my show if you already despise it and just want to piss on my parade. I've gotten a lot faster at backtracking from such reviews, fortunately.

From: [identity profile] suzvoy.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:43 pm (UTC)
I'd like acronyms for reviews that bash *any* character - seriously! :D Character bashing is so one of my pet peeves. It's amazing I've stayed in fandom this long! *g*

From: [identity profile] lemonbella.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:50 pm (UTC)
If they're going to demand warnings for fic, I'm demanding them for episode reviews. STUPID is a particularly useful category.

word.

From: [identity profile] shusu.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:53 pm (UTC)
*raises hand* I'd like an acronym for Obsessive Compare/Contrast. Which is not necessarily vitriolic, and can be pretty interesting, but is at its heart "SGA vs. SG-1 Deathmatch!" or "SGA vs. Joss Deathmatch!" or "SGA vs. [insert ideology here]-ism Deathmatch!" or "SGA vs. My Perfect Writing Staff Deathmatch!"


And Strangerverse! For some reason I would like to see either of them making fun of the other by imitating them (and also the absent versions). Sheppard getting annoyed at Rodney and doing the hand thing. Rodney putting his hands on his hips.

Strangerverse

From: [identity profile] demilo19.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:55 pm (UTC)
Other than people's reactions to the AUMcKay arriving - how he arrived and what people reacted like? I think I would like to see him and Zelenka trying to communicate with John...you know...around. John is my favorite decoration. He's just so damn pretty.

As for the episode reviews, there are only a few I can read. So many do the STUPID ones and I always want to do the head swat and ask why they are watching. I haven't come across any MUs or SUs and don't know what would happen if I did. I mean, how can you hate Rodney? Or John? It is against the laws of god and man!

From: [identity profile] miss-porcupine.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:58 pm (UTC)
I would suggest an additional rating, building off of the first two:

Rated W for WOOBIE:
(A) Someone was mean to my favorite character, so the episode sucked.
(B) My favorite character wasn't in the episode, so it sucked.
(C) My favorite character got the best line of the episode and/or got to outsmart/outbitch McKay/Sheppard/Weir, so it was the bestest episode ever.
(D) My favorite character got an extra line that could be interpreted as character development (for very small values of character development that may require my total delusional vision) and thus it was the greatest episode ever.

For (A) and (B), anyone who like the episode should be mocked without mentioning names and possibly defriended. For (C) and (D), anyone who didn't like the episode is just trying to pee in the collective cornflakes of fandom.


Strangerverse.... taking AURodney on a mission to a planet that knew RealRodney?

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:51 pm (UTC)
Oooh, that one was so obvious, how could I miss it? *bounces*

I have learned to hate the word woobie so *much*.

From: [identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:56 pm (UTC)
What does that word even mean? I see it used a lot but is there a specific meaning attached to it?

Also, did you see my other post? Are the scientists and John going to be all buddies again? They're all so sad :(

From: [identity profile] ltlj.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 04:59 pm (UTC)
I salute your warning system, because that's exactly it. 1 and 2 in particular make me want to throw things at people through the screen. Actually 3 does that also. And 4.

From: [identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 05:02 pm (UTC)
As irritating as all the review with those (potential) ratings are, somehow I find myself getting most annoyed at the GAY one because it manages to combine an amazing amount of obliviousness and fact-twisting with quite a bit of character bashing for everyone but M and S. Even though John occupies a special place in my heart, I feel I should make a shrine for Elizabeth just because. At least the STUPID one does it equally for everyone.
Strangerverse is so tragically beautiful. Could the scientists and Sheppard reach an understanding? I love the scientists and I love Sheppard, having the former blame (or maybe now feel guilty about blaming) the latter is making me very sad. I would offer art if that would make you somewhat un-morose, although everyone would look very sad in it. I do have X-men atlantis on my journal from Trinityofone's fic if you need a strangeness cheer-up with John in high collars and Teyla with glowing eyes.
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From: [personal profile] trobadora Date: 2006-08-19 05:09 pm (UTC)
I love your rating system. Now if only someone would read all those reviews and label them for me! It would make my life so much easier.

As for Strangerverse, have I told you yet how very much I love that? I especially love that you're not taking shortcuts, but making it feel so very real. What I'd like to see, personally, is some more of AU!Rodney's reaction to military!Sheppard, maybe during a crisis situation.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 03:56 pm (UTC)
I love your rating system. Now if only someone would read all those reviews and label them for me! It would make my life so much easier.

I can actually *see* the flamewars from here. It would be awesome.
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From: [personal profile] aurora Date: 2006-08-19 05:17 pm (UTC)
Stupid, yes! I approve this system of you.

Hmm, Strangerverse. I love all the comparing and contrasting. So, um, more flashbacks of John/Sheppard's Mckay?
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From: [personal profile] akacat Date: 2006-08-19 05:18 pm (UTC)
Strangerverse: I'd like to see a small pre-catastrophe slice-of-life scene for each of them.

Even though this could lead to the readers crying. Possibly (in the case of Rodney's universe) during profoundly good anal sex.

IE, I want to see what they each *lost*.

From: [identity profile] lilac-way.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 05:31 pm (UTC)
Your rating system should be distributed far and wide. I just can't read reviews anymore after the ridiculousness that was lemongate.

I wandered over so I could reread the strangerverse stories. I'd like to see the Colonel and Rodney having fun. Or just laughing together, forgetting all the baggage for a few moments. But then I'm sure someone will remember the baggage and get sad.

I can't come up with anything else -- things were perfect for me when Sheppard put his head in Rodney's lap at the end of Goodbye.

From: [identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 05:52 pm (UTC)
I really like your rating system. Really.

Snippeting: McKay trying to come to grips with the friendship between this universe's Teyla, Ronon, and Sheppard.

From: [identity profile] ceteramisto.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 05:59 pm (UTC)
I'd particulary want a good way to distingush among certain categories of reviews such as:

(a)Certain things are not-my-thing, the review acknowledges that and is mainly about the bits that-are-my-thing. This type of review I like because it concentrates on the positive and doesn't insult the people for whom it is their thing. (Your The Real World review is a great example of that.)

(b)Certain things are Really-Not-My-Thing and the review goes into that, but the review also acknowledges that personal feelings are invloved and that other fans will feel different about the thing. This type of review I have no problem with and even find them quite interesting because the personal subjectiveness is acknowledged in the review. (Besides if I wrote SGA reviews this is how I'd be about Beckett.)

(c) This thing IS-NOT-MY-THING-AND-SHOULDN'T-EVEN-BE-ANYONE'S-THING-EVER and the review goes into that at great length. These are the reviews I really want to avoid.

(By the way great length for me could be one sentence. Examples: "Rodney is a complete asshole and how dare anyone think he deserves any thanks for the job he does; he should thank them for allowing him to be in their presence." "John is a complete jerk who spends all his spare time causing poor woobie!Rodney to burst into tears at the drop of a hat.", "Elizabeth is a completely incompetent leader who just wants to get into John/Ronon/Rodney/Teyla/Caldwell/Whoever's pants.", or "Every character on this show is completely unethical and deliberately cruel to the poor, gentle, and beautiful ex-Wraith."

As for Strangerverse, I'd love to read something about a non-Atlantis point-of-view, Ford, Kolya, Sam, or Jeannie in particular.

From: [identity profile] ltlj.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:10 pm (UTC)
Gah, tried to reply to this earlier and I think I hit the wrong thing. Anyway:

Yes, I agree.

"Every character on this show is completely unethical and deliberately cruel to the poor, gentle, and beautiful ex-Wraith."

There should be a whole separate category for that one. And maybe a special codename, like "Darwin Award."

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:14 pm (UTC)
That is a thing of beauty.

I don't remember how I felt reading that the first time in an ep review. The mind, it sometimes blocks out events too traumatic to be rememebered, to protect itself, you know.
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From: [personal profile] trobadora Date: 2006-08-19 07:22 pm (UTC)
Oh God, yes, please!

From: [identity profile] ceteramisto.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 05:10 pm (UTC)
The "Darwin Award" would be the perfect codename for those type of posts.

Every time I run across one of the poor!ex-Wraith posts I have the urge to listen to "Cows With Guns". It seems oddly appropriate.
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From: [personal profile] reginagiraffe Date: 2006-08-21 09:05 pm (UTC)
I wonder if there would be as many of these people if Michael had been played by someone other than The Guy From Enterprise.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:14 pm (UTC)
I think there should be a warning for "I'm going to take an action-comedy-show where the writers' primary concern is to entertain their viewers and I'm going to treat it as if it is a deeply serious treatise on the human condition and then I'm going to be really pissed off because it isn't a deeply serious treatise on the human condition as if it is the show's fault that my expectations are completely out of whack". But I guess most of those reviewers will be covered by STUPID, so.

I also want a warning for Wraith-worshippersapologists.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:15 pm (UTC)
*grins* I like you. Please hang out here more.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you. I'm mostly a lurker, though, but the SGA reviews have been driving me crazy for months now, especially the "all the Atlanteans, except my-favourite-character-who-is-usually-Rodney-or-sometimes-Ronon who is a woobie, are amoral, unethical scum who deserves to be sucked dry by the Wraith because the Wraith have earned their position as top dogs of the Pegasus galaxy and they're not really doing any harm anyway" reviews. In the end I just had to unsub from the SGA newsletter, because I couldn't take it anymore.

I have my own problems with Critical Mass and the retrovirus-arc, but they mostly have to do with the way those episodes were written, not with the ideas as such. But that's another rant essay for another time.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:30 pm (UTC)
I'm friending you right now. There are too few sane people for me to miss even *one*.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:50 pm (UTC)
*blushes crimson red*

Well, I wouldn't know about sane. And my journal is rather boring, I mostly write about books. I have been thinking about watching SGA from the beginning, though, and writing reviews, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:06 pm (UTC)
Hello, new best friend.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:03 pm (UTC)
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's been increasingly more frustrated by the SGA reviews.

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:08 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah. I've pretty much stopped reading reviews (sorry, Jenn), unless I've really hated an episode. But that hasn't happened since Epiphany (and the last half of Critical Mass. Teyla in her hobbit dress, singing!).

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:26 pm (UTC)
I have no idea how I'll survive knowing this. It will be hard? But it's one day at a time.

Hobbit dress. Hmm. I need to go watch that ep again.

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
Her crushed velvet hobbit dress!

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:43 pm (UTC)
You've got to wonder what their requisition lists look like. And how they explain. Cause I just don't see velvet as a big Pegasus export item.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:36 pm (UTC)
I stopped reading reviews when the Sheppard-bashing started, whenever that was? After Critical Mass? Whenever. And I get that we all have different approaches to fandom and that we all see what we want to see, but I don't think I've ever been lurked in a fandom with this much moral outrage. I mean, they're not really doing anything on SGA that they didn't do on SG-1 and I have no memory of the SG-1 fans being this angry.

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
I know right. I think people forget this is a STARGATE show.

From: [identity profile] ex-muj135.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 09:02 pm (UTC)
And the Stargate shows have never done the emotional fallout and they have never done the ethical implications. Or very rarely anyway. And when they do it's always been very awkwardly done as if the writers know they probably should, but they don't really want to, because look, explosions!! freaky-looking aliens!! pretty people!!

From: [identity profile] ileliberte.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 09:07 pm (UTC)
What I found interesting in the SG1 200th episode was that it acknowledged some points, for example, the treatment of Carter through the x-treme team but the self awareness doesn't seem to have translated into any recognizable corrections. So they admit it but can't do anything it, won't do anything about it? It gets too complicated, so I just enjoy the funny and the pretty and leave the depth to others.
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From: [personal profile] fleurrochard Date: 2006-08-20 05:17 am (UTC)
Oh God, yes. My mind always goes kinda blank when I read the latter category, because - what? Yes, I'm always on the side of people who'd want to eat me.
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From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 06:50 pm (UTC)
Hey, I was getting all defensive when I saw you suggest yet more spoiler warnings...until i got it! i love your ratings system :-) I tend to only read reviews off my flist and certain people at that if i feel overly protective (which I didn't for last night's)

re strangerverse (and i owe you gushing feedback for the last update but i was jetlagged and worn out and then hit in the gut with the fuic and literally had no words!); i don't know that i wantto see anything specific as much as more!!! or, yes, maybe a bit more info on how rodney ended up in that universe an first reactions by everyone? (we got all the husband fallout but not really the omg, he's really another mckay one)

and please...no crying sex...i'd hold off for the sex for some good emotional bonding and very, very slow growing attachment...

From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:09 pm (UTC)
I don't know what's worse: people who watch the show every week and consider themselves part of fandom but hate the show with a passion, or people who say things like "John and Rodney walked down a hallway together! Best episode ever!" Either way, I need a button on my keyboard that allows me to stab people in the face via the internet.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:29 pm (UTC)
I'm working on Giving People With These Issues Hives With My Mind. I have a *list*. I watch every day for reports of unexpected hives. *sad* So far, Saturdays seem clear. Very depressing.

From: [identity profile] flaming-muse.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:34 pm (UTC)
I give your ratings system two thumbs up and five stars!

From: [identity profile] namastenancy.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 07:56 pm (UTC)
Also, Mr. Waffles sprayed me again....

Maybe he's marking you as his territory...potential future mate?

and thumbs up on your rating system. If you think it's a train wreck, why watch?

From: [identity profile] slythhearted.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-19 08:43 pm (UTC)
I'd offer to have your fandom babies but that is slightly stalkerish. But somebody should definitely have your fandom babies, oh yes indeedy.

I'm a closet academic so I enjoy meta, I enjoy seeing what people get out of different episodes but I have to say I am now limited to the lj names I recognise on the Newsletter as being 'safe' ie don't need one of your warning labels. Depressing, but it does stop my Saturday mornings (oh, the joy of timezones) degenerating into hand waving and anglo saxon language : )

From: [identity profile] emrinalexander.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 02:32 am (UTC)
I think Mr. Waffles loves you and doesn't want anybody else to have you.

Either that, or Reggie's psychosis is catching *G*.

I love the Strangeverse stories and I do hope that at some point, down the line, when more healing has taken place than is possible in six or so months, the boys do get together. Because I'm incurable romantic and if there is Rodney then there must also be John in my worldview.

I'm thinking though - they both must have nightmares about what happened to their respective guys...would it be too traumatic if they ended up Really Just Sleeping Sleeping Together because it's either that or have Beckett knock them out with sleeping pills? Also, I am a total sucker for fic where people cuddle for psycic and physical comfort.

From: [identity profile] djinanna.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 03:08 am (UTC)
thots on episode reviews
::totally ignores haters and also something called "sparky" of which I know NOTHING!!!!! *ehem*::

comments
I'm so behind on reading these - yet I love the idea of them. ::must find list and start reading::

snippets
I'm of the opinion that John & auRodney would cry during excellent oral sex at this point, too. They're not quite ready yet. But I believe it will come. (And so will they.)

Anway, how about some kind of deliberate team bonding thingee? Perhaps suggested by Heitmeyer (whose name I just realized I can't spell) or Weir. Something to help the "native galaxy" group get to know auRodney? Like ... camping on the mainland/some "safe" world. And everything goes wrong.

Or, um, the Genii show up and are buttheads their usual charming selves.

I'd also really like to see something set in the labs, with auRodney and the scientists-of-guilty-conscience.

little fur-clad boyz
The spraying? I've always thought of it more as staking a claim, a sign of ownership. You're Mr Waffles bitch now! Which, in their tiny fur-clad (male!) minds, probably is equivalent to fondness.

From: [identity profile] daydreamer.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 03:30 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure you could write anything in Strangerverse and I would love it, up to and including crying during anal sex. Two things, however, that it might be interesting to see: 1) AUMcKay's coping mechanisms - he goes to Heightmeyer, but besides talking it out, how does he "demarcate the differences more than just in his head [second watch]"? It could be something she suggested or something he comes up with on his own - Excel sheet? post-it notes? journal? really badly drawn comics? I'm not sure what precisely, but I feel like that's something that 'our' McKay would do; he would have a system, collect all of the data, study, work it out scientifically. And then John could find out about... whatever... and then... he would say something? I don't know. Also, 2) What have they told Rodney's family - Jeannie or whoever else? Like, there's the question of whatever half-truth they had to tell about how he died (minus the other galaxy part and all that), but then, does AUMcKay want to see them? He knew his parents and Jeannie well enough to have them at his wedding, but is in the same in this 'verse? While I'm at it, 3) John should go into AUMcKay's quarters. I don't know what he should see there. Also, 4) What else is different in our universe besides, like, SGA personalities/relationships? Maybe the ending to some popular movie or the lyrics to some song? Could lead to humorous moments and/or misunderstandings when someone makes a cultural reference? Or something?

Okay, ah, I'm done now. I think. Seriously, you could write 700 words of John and AURodney playing chinese checkers in complete silence and it would make me cry and want them to have sex. Do whatever you think is best. :)

From: [identity profile] jade-dragoness.livejournal.com Date: 2006-08-20 06:31 am (UTC)
*eyes the episode commentary she's written* You know, I rather like the idea of a warning system. I enjoy reading other people's reviews but I keep getting burned every time I do. I'm going to start implimenting it.

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