Wednesday, May 19th, 2010 11:31 am
this is where i say, cool
Related to the entire Unfunny Prowriter making vague whining sounds about fanfic that we all celebrated in song and rhyme and whatnot, but much more interesting.
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Can I say "Welcome to Thunderdome." in portentous tones now and be culturally relevant or is that too melodramatic? Because come the fuck on. My log alone for the last two years numbers above one thousand authors and I only read in four fandoms actively. AO3--which is in beta--has 6946 authors to date.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yeah. This is not an improbable conclusion.
Note: non-English speaking work is not represented, though now I would be interested if we could even get world-wide statistics in publishing both English and non-English works. I guess individually pulling from each country's equivalent department would do it if it were public information, with a variable for translated works (I once read Basic Instinct--yes, Basic Instinct--in Finnish). Especially since from what I can tell, I think several of the non-English language fanfic communities are extremely robust and growing fairly rapidly.
PS Do we count non-published doujin? And someone give me the right spelling on that one, google and wiki were not helpful.
I am posting so I won't buy boots, okay? Okay.
ETA: Okay, off-topic, but there's an awesome discussion on hobby mining here. Hobby mining! Tell me that is not awesome.
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It took me a couple of days to source this, but I think it's pretty accurate. According to the US Department of Labor, there are about 43,000 people who make their living through writing (including screenwriting, ads, movies, etc), but only about 8,000 that make a living writing for newspapers, periodicals, books, and directories (all combined). According to the Writer's Directory 2010, there are about 23,000 writers in the world who have published at least one book in English, including nonfiction works. The Directory of American Writers and Poets (again, including nonfiction) lists about 8,000 names. According to Wikipedia, fanfiction.net has two million users, and I don't even know how big lj fandom is - lj searches top out at 2,000 people. Heck, there as many active Dreamwidth accounts as there are writers who have published any book in English ever - 23,000ish.
So while my numbers are vague, I think the idea that we're a smaller population then prowriters is pretty laughable. - link to comment
Can I say "Welcome to Thunderdome." in portentous tones now and be culturally relevant or is that too melodramatic? Because come the fuck on. My log alone for the last two years numbers above one thousand authors and I only read in four fandoms actively. AO3--which is in beta--has 6946 authors to date.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say, yeah. This is not an improbable conclusion.
Note: non-English speaking work is not represented, though now I would be interested if we could even get world-wide statistics in publishing both English and non-English works. I guess individually pulling from each country's equivalent department would do it if it were public information, with a variable for translated works (I once read Basic Instinct--yes, Basic Instinct--in Finnish). Especially since from what I can tell, I think several of the non-English language fanfic communities are extremely robust and growing fairly rapidly.
PS Do we count non-published doujin? And someone give me the right spelling on that one, google and wiki were not helpful.
I am posting so I won't buy boots, okay? Okay.
ETA: Okay, off-topic, but there's an awesome discussion on hobby mining here. Hobby mining! Tell me that is not awesome.
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From:Then there are occupations that are just not possible in most countries non-professionally. Miners for come to mind. I guess you can have some Klondike gold-rush situations where non-miners try at mining, but a lot of people work professionally as miners, and I have never heard any significant number does this as a hobby.
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From:Like you can be interested in particle physics as a hobby certainly, but it's not like you could build yourself an accelerator or any other relevant experimental setup in your garden shed (and probably a good thing too or we'd end up in a comic book universe of tinkering supervillains developing death rays...*G*), so you can't actually do particle physics actively as a hobby.
So it is only fairly accessible occupations that have a larger number of hobbyists than professionals that essentially produce similar things. But the more and the more expensive stuff you need, the faster the number of people trying it for fun drops I suspect. One only has to look at the number of vidders vs the number of fanwriters (and how the number of vidders has increased once digital video editing became common place).
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From: (Anonymous) Date: 2010-05-20 07:25 am (UTC)(- reply to this
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From:*rapt* Hobby miners.
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From:The guy who mowed my lawn (when I lived in a place that had a lawn) took off a month every year to go gold prospecting. Not quite mining, as I don't think there was any digging or canaries involved, but a similar idea.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: 2010-05-19 11:39 pm (UTC)http://www.craterofdiamondsstatepark.com/
Every once in a while, somebody actually finds one large enough to cut.
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From:Herkimer Diamond Mine
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From:(Also why I love Ringing Rocks Park. I think it would be a fantastic site for a wedding reception or graduation party: give everyone a hammer and a disposable camera, and you save yourself the cost of the photographer and the DJ!)
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From: (Anonymous)Also hobby geologists are called rock hounds! (Which probably everybody knows.)
--LastScorpion--
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From:This makes me want to like, cry in joy or bring it up randomly in a discussion somewhere.
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From:I mean, obviously strip mining isn't exactly hobby material, but that's not the only way to get ore/whatever (we just use it because we've already taken out most of the more easily-accessible veins, plus it's commercially viable).
Like, for instance, opal "mining" (i.e. finding opals on the ground) is a tourist attraction in some parts of here (Australia), and you do get people who go out on the weekend just hoping to find "the big one" or whatever. Ditto with old school gold panning, as you mentioned.
Actually, Google tells me that NSW Department of Mineral Resources (the state with Sydney in it, for non-Aussies) mentions hobby mining in its Criteria for Cancellation or Non Renewal of Mining Leases (discouraging it), so it must happen.
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