Monday, August 15th, 2005 10:03 pm

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Fat Free

To preface: if you are a fat-free milk, or fat-free anything person, go you! You are healthier than I am. And also have very, very different taste buds. I mean this in the spirit of tolerance and love for my fellow man.

Who. Keeps. Buying. The. Fat. Free. Milk?

Okay, I have hit my ceiling for understanding those who live with me, live near me, or in some capacity feed me. This includes restaurants that keep offering me *fat free blackberry pie* and *fat free cheesecake* and God help us all and every one, *fat free chocolate*, because that's like going up to a rancher and expecting no steaks on the grill. I am that person. I am in the fat-food zone.

Just--it's *white water*, not milk. Once, someone tried to trick me by putting the fat free milk in a whole milk container. I KNEW! And I always know. I know when my cheese is low calorie, I know when my milk is sucked of all fatty goodness and by God and every saint in the catalogue, this has got to stop now. I now navigate my favorite food aisle of all, teh frozen dinners, surrounded by Lean Cuisines that get like, fifty lockers, and yesterday, my son expressed a desire for fat free frozen yogurt. (and how the hell do you spell that?)

The betrayal is *breathtaking*.

I'm going to have to farm my own fat, aren't I? I'll be the last one, buying up the last of the high calorie mayonaisse and raising my own sad little cows and they keep *giving me fat-free chicken breasts* and I feel like this is some kind of really bad movie where everyone si trying to lower my cholesterol and blood pressure and make me healthy and I dn't *want* to be, by God. And for that matter, my blood pressure is low enough, thank you, and if it wasn't, well, I'll trade my blood pressure for whole milk, whipped cream, and fully-sugared, fully-buttered, covered in vanilla bean ice cream chocolate brownies, and I DON'T CARE.

As you can see, this hasnt' been one of my better food days.

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From: [identity profile] svilleficrecs.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:25 am (UTC)
For drinking, I'm more of a 1% girl myself, 2% I can handle, but whole tastes like cream to me.

Skim milk is perfectly serviceable to float yummy cereals on. You don't notice that much (especially if you wean slowly down to 2%, 1%.), and if it's a daily part of your diet, the calorie savings adds up.

There are also these... dynamilk I think it's called? It's a skim that they make taste creamier by adding in milk solids... which, not sure I want to know more details than that, but to my mouth it tastes like a decent 1-2%

YMMMV (Your Milk Mileage May Vary)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:28 am (UTC)
2% I can live with.

It's a skim that they make taste creamier by adding in milk solids

Okay, now my nightmares include milk *solids* chasing after me.

*blinks slowly* I am afraid.
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From: [personal profile] akacat Date: 2005-08-16 03:28 am (UTC)
Yes, fat-free milk is like white water.

But I think milk is gross, and putting *water* on cereal is just *weird*. So it's a good compromise.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:32 am (UTC)
My sister hates milk with a passoion.

*grins* What do you put on your cereal?

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From: [identity profile] joesther.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:28 am (UTC)
You're going to think I'm totally abnormal, but I'm not capable of drinking anything other than the skim milk. Anything else tastes heavy to me. Even in my tea (I don't drink coffee). I can't eat cottage cheese that's any heavier/fattier than 2% fat, and I only eat fat free yoghurts. Anything else just tastes weird to me.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:31 am (UTC)
A lot of my friends and coworkers feel *exactly the same way*. I feel abandoned, really, a tiny island clutching fatty milk while everyone around me is going teh fat free route.

I begin to think I have abandonment issues. OTOH, there is rarely a shortage of whole milk now. So maybe it balances, cosmically.

From: [identity profile] pearl-o.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:29 am (UTC)
Whole milk is GROSS. I judge!

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:32 am (UTC)
YOU ARE ONE OF THEM!

*hides with the ONE TRUE MILK*

From: [identity profile] edana-ni-emer.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:30 am (UTC)
When I switched to skim, I was young enough that I didn't really notice the difference. Now, full or even 2% tastes really funky. :-)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:33 am (UTC)
It's like I'm in a whole new world. This is totally like that song--I am connecting to Duran Duran's Ordinary World *so much* right now.

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From: [identity profile] ladyjanelly.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:32 am (UTC)
The hubby and I have gone 100% soy. The vanilla kind is like the sweet heavy milk that's left over when the kid-sugary cereal has been eaten out of it. Not bad at all. The normal stuff is not-so-good.

I think the fat content is almost the same as real milk though.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:38 am (UTC)
My son was on soy for about a year. He never noticed the difference. It was very, very scary.

Hmm. Intersting about the taste. Huh.

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From: [personal profile] helvirago Date: 2005-08-16 03:45 am (UTC)
Myself, I'm trapped in the 1%-2% zone. Whole milk makes me queasy, skim milk makes me puzzled (I thought you said it was milk! This isn't milk!).

Thing is, I've reached a point where I need to start watching what I eat, but a) I'm not at all convinced that eating the same things, only this time fat-free! helps at all, and b) it's a travesty. Things that have fat in them naturally... just do! (Except milk. But that's just because that's how my mother raised me, so there was no choice involved.) If I want something fat free, I'll go eat something that never had it to begin with!

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:57 am (UTC)
Myself, I'm trapped in the 1%-2% zone. Whole milk makes me queasy, skim milk makes me puzzled (I thought you said it was milk! This isn't milk!).

See? It's NOT JUST ME! It's *strange*. It's bluish, or weird, or something scary.

If I want something fat free, I'll go eat something that never had it to begin with!

Say it loud. Say it PROUD.
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From: [personal profile] kernezelda Date: 2005-08-16 03:45 am (UTC)
*clings to you on an island of True Dairy amidst a rising tide of fat-free foods*



From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:58 am (UTC)
We stand united against the Others.

*solidarity*
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From: [identity profile] linzeestyle.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 03:46 am (UTC)
Haha.

I actually drink fat-free milk. I don't *like* it, but then, I don't drink milk much at all. It's mainly a psychological thing I think -- *rationally* I know it is just white water, but still...it looks like milk! And ergo I can put it on my cereal without going "ew, water."

*G*

Linzee

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:01 am (UTC)
*giggles*

From: [identity profile] nova-bright.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:06 am (UTC)
I have a dislike for long life milk, and skim milk. WHat a surprise that the only milk in my house at the moment is both long life and skim. Damn my health conscious housemates. Damn them to Hades and back. Plus, whislt I don't mind low fat frozen yougurt, I have an aborrance for low fat/fat free ice cream, for it is an abomination.

I remember reading a thingy about one of the olsen twins, it was a photo of her eating with the caption "Mary-Kate enjoys a no sugar, no fat, low carb treat." And I was like, yeah right. Enjoyed.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:14 am (UTC)
And I was like, yeah right. Enjoyed.

*cries. bitterly*

What kind of a world do we *live* in where antyhign no sugar, no fat, low-carb is a *treat*? WHAT KIND OF A WORLD?

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From: [identity profile] piper47.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:08 am (UTC)
Dude my roomate and I were talking about this tonight because we have to buy new milk tomorrow.

I don't like milk. In fact I *hate* milk, but we need it to cook and for my cereal, so we're going to get fat free again because neither of us use milk in the capacity where we'll be tasting it, so might as well go with the thing that's kinda healthy. Seeing as I drink so much soda, I need to balance out somewhere. ;)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:15 am (UTC)
*giggles* I suppose cereal-milk has differnet rules for application.

From: [identity profile] karit.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:13 am (UTC)
I love milk with the fire of a thousand suns... and yet, I cannot tell a difference between 2% and skim. Not even a little. Or maybe I just don't care... but my family gets 2% for my dad and brothers and skim for my mom and me, but I just grab whichever one is closest or fuller or whatever, and it always tastes exactly the same to me. *shrugs*

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:18 am (UTC)
Hmm. I can't really tell the differnece between two percetn and one percent at all, though. Except in the color of my coffee.

Hmmm.

From: [identity profile] arysteia.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:17 am (UTC)
Honestly? It's a case where once you do it, you don't go back. I went on a diet about ten years ago, and the first week it was poison. But I can't drink real milk now, it's like swallowing a mouthful of fat. If people make me tea and I don't yell out fast enough, it's like there's a layer of animal fat in it. I eat full-fat everything *else* though. :-D

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:20 am (UTC)
So it's adaptive? Hmm.

Very hmmm.

I am still scared, yet intrigued now.

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From: [identity profile] grlnamedlucifer.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:22 am (UTC)
::raises hand::

Any other kind besides skim makes me want to puke. Nothing to do with fat-content or whatever. I was just born and raised on skim and now if I ever try even 2%, my mouth goes "ew! no! milk should not taste like that!!" Though, I suppose, it *is* supposed to taste like that....

From: [identity profile] grlnamedlucifer.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:24 am (UTC)
(or possibly 1%, because I'm dumb like that)

From: [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 04:57 am (UTC)
I'm going to have to farm my own fat, aren't I?

I have an image in my mind of you in hipwaders, whistling happily while tending to glistening fields of gelatinous...stuff....

I love whole milk, and yet, my ancient body doesn't. *sigh* Some of us are fat-free through no choice of our own.

"What a drag it is getting old.' *GRIN*

From: [identity profile] aftertherain.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 05:40 am (UTC)
I'm going to have to farm my own fat, aren't I?
*sporfles* >:D

Yay you! Oh yes, fat is what makes foods taste good.

Actually, the only milk I drink is Chocolate Milk. Which makes whole milk (and anything else, really) seem healthy by comparison.

From: [identity profile] eretria.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 05:54 am (UTC)
Just--it's *white water*, not milk.

In fact, it's even slightly bluish water (which makes it all the worse). It's interesting to hear this criticism of fatfree milk coming from someone who lives in America. I know for certain that it was one of the things that made me shudder when I was over there.
Why even bother to call it milk? It doesn't even change the colour of tea!

Fat, in fact, carries taste. Ergo - entirely fatfree = entirely tasteless.
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From: [personal profile] ender24 Date: 2005-08-16 06:53 am (UTC)
I have to second eretria, while i was living in Canada, the first I thought when I saw fat free products was, how weird??
and later I saw more and more low fat food in the malls and stores like walmart or canadian superstore........
...and that was the point where I went to my language school teachers saying:
DAMN HELL, I want high fat food, the higher the better!!!!!!
this is crazy!! LOW FAT; NO FAT whatever , lol, imo its all tasteless.

I do not think we even have fatfree milk in Germany (maybe i am just blind to it) , all i see is 3,5 to 3,8% milk. and recently I saw 1,5% fat.

and for soy milk?? well, i tried, i had to puke...

From: [identity profile] dragon-lord.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 08:51 am (UTC)
I drink fat free milk (because anything else sticks my throat and I have a hard time breathing), but I hate fat free anything else.

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From: [personal profile] velithya Date: 2005-08-16 09:19 am (UTC)
I hear you with the white water thing. I used to drink skim milk. And then I stayed for a month with my boyfriend's family who got milk every couple of days from the dairy farm next door. They'd go over with a bucket and come back with a bucket of milk, and you had to stir it up with a fork before you put it on your cereal or you would get all the cream on top and no actual milk. And then I went back to the city and realised that I had been drinking WATER my ENTIRE LIFE and switched back to ACTUAL milk. :D
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From: [personal profile] jcalanthe Date: 2005-08-16 10:50 am (UTC)
Go you for not buying into the demonization of fat. Humans need fats to function - a fat-free diet is not actually a healthy diet, and so many of the fat-free products have nasty shit in place of it. Fat gets blamed for things caused by the fat-soluble toxins (pesticides, PCBs, etc) - talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It means that finding clean(er)-source fats, especially animal products, is a very healthy thing to do, but cutting them out is just silly. Here endeth the food rant. :)

Thanks for the SGA recs btw - I'm completely in the flush of a new fandom that's eaten my brain, and I love that you enable me in that. Any chance you can hook me up with S1, or point me at someone who could?

From: [identity profile] jennifus.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 11:21 am (UTC)
*pets you*

*gives you whole milk and nice, normal chocolate*

From: [identity profile] aelora.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 12:18 pm (UTC)
Who. Keeps. Buying. The. Fat. Free. Milk?

*waves hand*

I used to not be able to go any lower than 2%, but then the SO and I went on a fat free diet a few years back, and I got used to fat free milk. And trust me, I am a milkaholic! I can't drink any other milk now. I think fat free milk got a really bad name when it first came out - it used to be horrible! - but it's gotten better. Especially chocolate fat free milk. Yum!

Going through that fat free diet, though, I did learn the things I can't stand - fat free mayo, fat free cheese and fat free butter. BLECH!!!

From: [identity profile] calligrafiti.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 12:31 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of it has to do with the milk you got as a kid. I was raised on skim, so the few times I would drink milk willingly, I drank skim. (I hate drinking milk, and generally see it as an ingredient rather than as a beverage. This probably stems from associating milk with skim milk, which probably proves your point.) Most folks I know who were raised on skim drink it now. And some of them even seem to like it.

When I went to the whole low-carb thing, the only milk-like substance I could put in my coffee was heavy cream. It was a dairy revelation. OMG so good! But I just don't associate that with milk. It's cream. Milk is that awful watery stuff my parents made me drink as a kid.

Now I still don't drink milk. But I have three pints of heavy cream in my fridge.

From: [identity profile] angstie.livejournal.com Date: 2005-08-16 12:43 pm (UTC)
Well, here's another vote for soy milk - the low-fat, hi-cal version. My difficult choice at the supermarket is whether to go for the nice tasting one that curdles in my coffee, or the not-so-nice tasting one that looks good in my coffee. Decisions decisions....

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