Bash scripting is evil and I will get this to loop and add html markup for each file in my directory for a linkable and accessible index page if I have to kill linux to do it.

Right, getting that out of the way.

Yesterday I had a fun ride with a guy who owns his own cab service and we spent most of the ride talking about computers, since he was one of Michael Dell's first fifty employees back in the day they bought chassis from IBM and it was weird. I had my laptop and was trying to connect to my server to do a quick update using my phone and we talked about pretty much everything.

He was also kind enough to wait until near the end of the ride to point out how rare it is for women to be interested in computers and offered to introduce me to one of the Dell engineers and how did I learn so much about them anyway? And why?

Things you cannot explain easily, because there's no context:

"Well, I started writing fanfic and the Trekiverse archive hadn't been updated in like, years and was still hand coded (not that I knew what coding was) and so I had to get a page from geocities or all my fic would be in fifty pieces spread over PTF and ASC and ASCEML and everyone else had a webpage so I went to geocities and hated the templates even though I used it and while coding in In the Space of Seven Days Part IV broke formatting and was huge and weird and I couldn't figure out why so I kept staring at it until I figured out what all those little symbols meant. Then I learned to use them.

"Diebin in X-Men offered me non-commercial space on her domain, but it used this thing called ftp? And when I logged in there were like, ten million folders and I couldn't get anywhere and I kept losing things and getting disconnected. So I kept staring at it until I figured out what FTP did, what those folders did, why it was structured like that, and what it all meant. Then I and a friend bought a domain together.

"So this fic archive hadn't been updated in six months and I asked to have it. And it used this thing called css? And wtf was that about? So....

"So Livejournal paid accounts had customized CSS and [livejournal.com profile] isilya did my main page but I wanted my flist page to match....

"Because I didn't know it and I wanted to. Because I get bored easily and I need distraction constantly. Because I want to generate my own indexes, rip my own DVDS, repair my own tech, enjoy the journey of creation as much as I enjoy the results of it. Because everyone says linux is ridiculously complex for the non-professsional and command line is too hard. Because the guy I used to think was the smartest guy in the world and knew everything there was to know about hardware and programming always laughed at my questions and it's been thirteen years and fuck that shit, I can breakdown and rebuild your system with a blindfold and without a manual.

"Because two of the women I most admire are both in fandom and run the two largest women-controlled open source projects in the world.

"Because when I was twenty-three years old, I bought an HP that broke and they sent it back to me working and not fixed and then my boyfriend took it and it stopped working altogether and I decided my hardware would never be touched by anyone but me. When I was twenty-four years old, I bought my first Dell and did a full breakdown by hand without visual reference because I didn't have my handbook and back then I couldn't find it online, so I had to figure out how to make it work again by memory. When I was twenty-seven, I bought my second Dell and when I was twenty-nine, I broke it down and rebuilt it into a new chassis with a new hard drive and new board. When I was thirty, I broke down my first laptop and I upgraded it myself.

"Because three months ago, I sat down with a pile of parts and started building a customized physical interface between IDE and SATA because slimline DVD players are evil and chained up three types before I realized even sheer will couldn't fit all that into my laptop. Also, I'm pretty sure it would have started on fire. Which isn't actually a negative, come to think.

"Because I want a touchscreen on my mini and I will figure out how to solder without damaging the board if it kills me.

"Because two months ago, I decided I wanted to build my own server, and I spent weeks reading everything there was on sockets and processor compatibility and chassis construction and power sources and fans.

"Because a month ago, I went to Frys and chose all my own parts and sat in the living room and assembled them all into something that works. I cannot even begin to explain the moment I flipped it on and the lights came on, the motherboard diagnostics ran, and I was still bleeding from chassis cuts and a broken fingernail but I didn't cry but it was a very close thing, because this was all mine, every component I assembled and tested and worried about and put together to create something new. I had to reinstall Ubuntu Server four times before I got it right, but I finally got it right.

"Because [profile] jarlsberg71 sold me a RAID array enclosure and card and said he didn't think I'd have any problem handling it. Because he and [personal profile] dreamatdrew don't mind when my knowledge gaps seem ridiculously elementary because no one would ever explain it to me and I learn by doing.

"Because I get no one is nearly as weird as I am about the joy of building stuff, but no one should ever be afraid to do their own repairs and build their own systems if they want to, and I thought maybe if I wrote up what I did, it might make them want to try, too.

"Because you'd be amazed how many women in fandom write their own programs, learn entire new programming languages, install and configure software better than any professional, and jury-rig their own systems as a matter of course. Because there wasn't anyone for us to ask, and no one to do it for us, so when we wanted an archiving program, a domain, a server, a place of our own for our fic, for our vids, for our meta, for our academic and professional work, we had to learn to do it ourselves."

This is what I said:

"You know, around."

Just in case I forgot to say this, thank you, fandom. I have no idea what I would have done for hobbies without you.
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From: [personal profile] kuwdora Date: 2010-10-27 01:19 am (UTC)
I love this post so much. <3 <3 <3 {{Fandom}} {{Jenn}} <3 <3 <3
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From: [personal profile] feanna Date: 2010-10-27 01:22 am (UTC)
All the best for this surgery thing that might happen soon and is totally harmless anyways. (All the best, seriously)

I totally envy you your skills here (even if they are full of holes, they are very much better than mine (which is not hard, I admit as mine do not exist, but still).
They all seem like terribly useful things to know!

And "around" is a totally good explanation for how people learn lots of stuff.
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From: [personal profile] serrico Date: 2010-10-27 01:27 am (UTC)
As someone who knows barely enough HTML to scrape by (I've been reading your make-your-own-server posts with the bemused headtilt of a befuddled puppy), I salute your techiness.

*salutes*
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From: [personal profile] jenna_thorn Date: 2010-10-27 01:57 pm (UTC)
I hear you. I am sitting back in my chiar applauding the idea even while bits of the specific description are in a different language.

Then again, my hobby, which I threw myself into with no training and at best a loose grip of mechanical engineering, is equally jargon-filled.
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From: [personal profile] dreamatdrew Date: 2010-10-27 01:36 am (UTC)
*hugs*
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From: [personal profile] niqaeli Date: 2010-10-27 01:39 am (UTC)
This entry fills my heart with -- I don't know. Joy? Love? Kinship? I don't even know what the hell the right word for it is, but: this, this, this.
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From: [personal profile] petslife Date: 2010-10-27 01:45 am (UTC)
I agree 100%.
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From: [personal profile] jetsilver Date: 2010-10-27 01:45 am (UTC)
*bookmarks for the next Ada Lovelace day*

This is full of awesome.
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From: [personal profile] trinity_clare Date: 2010-10-27 01:51 am (UTC)
THIS. I've been the resident Photoshop expert for my group of friends for years because I wanted to make my own icons. And then I graduated to layouts and had to learn CSS. And then, and then, and then. <3
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From: [personal profile] erika Date: 2010-10-27 02:06 am (UTC)
For what it's worth, thank you for being so open about your surgery. I have what I think are gallbladder issues and you've given me the impetus to get it checked out.
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From: [personal profile] jenna_thorn Date: 2010-10-27 01:58 pm (UTC)
Fingers crossed. Better to have a diagnosis than to wonder (says the woman who's gone through years of testing with no firm culprit).
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From: [personal profile] elaran Date: 2010-10-27 02:09 am (UTC)
that's awesome :)
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From: [personal profile] seekingeden Date: 2010-10-27 02:57 am (UTC)
I ... kind of love you.
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From: [personal profile] concinnity Date: 2010-10-27 02:59 am (UTC)
I love everything about this post. <3

From: [personal profile] vito_excalibur Date: 2010-10-27 03:15 am (UTC)
I love this. Thank you, fandom!
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From: [personal profile] abriata Date: 2010-10-27 03:25 am (UTC)
Besides the actual facts, the actual techie facts, the yes, I know because I did that, too, just like everyone else here, I dismantled my own Dell until it had none of the original parts and ran ten times better over the course of five years and it's still going strong eight years later, I got bored with Windows and installed Linux, because why the fuck not, and ran my own damn system for three years and then had to undo all of it when I passed it down to family members because they literally had no hope of understanding what I'd done, and this is when one of them is a bloody engineer...

what I love the absolute most about this, about you right now, is that this reminds me so strongly, so horribly nostalgically, that for every person who brags about their college degrees and doctorates in computer programming, in software engineering, in this-or-that, there are ten more people, ten more women who used to be girls and told don't touch that, who are standing by and smiling and thinking, with happiness and pride and hard-earned self-respect, I can do that, too.

And it reminds me that for every person you meet you really don't know them, because somewhere out there is not only a cab driver who was around for the beginnings of Dell and nobody knows, but he doesn't know that one of his passengers is a woman who can do things he'd probably never conceived she could, who learned everything she knows from an online community he'd also probably never conceived of, and he might not ever know but that doesn't mean it isn't true, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

And I think that's amazing.

So, in conclusion: I'm sorry for going all sappy, and I'm sorry for such a long comment, but, well.



And as someone who's lived with a broken spine for seven years and grew up with a brother so physically handicapped he literally had experimental surgery: I wish you all the luck with your surgery, and I promise you, you will get through it.
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From: [personal profile] amalthia Date: 2010-10-27 03:28 am (UTC)
sounds a bit like my current progress of learning how to get things done. :) I truly hated geocities and learned how to code HTML as a result and I learned css because of all the ebook formatting and so many more things because of fandom.

Building my own computer for the first time was an awesome experience. Not sure I'll ever build my own server but there are times it's very tempting!
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From: [personal profile] terrio Date: 2010-10-27 03:38 am (UTC)
You are awesome.

That is all.
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From: [personal profile] dodificus Date: 2010-10-27 03:40 am (UTC)
I had to stop and take a deep teary breath at the end of this. Wow.
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From: [personal profile] lferion Date: 2010-10-27 04:10 am (UTC)
♥ ♥ ♥
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From: [personal profile] aurora Date: 2010-10-27 06:56 am (UTC)
♥!
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From: [personal profile] artisan447 Date: 2010-10-27 09:19 am (UTC)
Those are the bestest reasons in the history of reasons ♥

(I'm now picturing you starting to feel the same way about gall bladders, and anatomy, and surgery, and before we know it you'll be holding an actual *scalpel*... ;)
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From: [personal profile] treewishes Date: 2010-10-27 11:24 am (UTC)
I kind of teared up at this. Wow. Just. Yeah.
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From: [personal profile] ursamajor Date: 2010-10-27 07:46 pm (UTC)
This. I'd been "into" computers and technology since I was a kid, but had minimal access until college, where I learned how to write the text that would affect the pictures and visual elements I wanted to put up in a way that worked for me because it was part of the fun of fandom. I'm still stuck on that next giant leap, to being able to arrange the text to do more abstract things, but it feels more possible now because of those roots. Even if I don't quite grok it yet, someday, I will. Something will click.
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From: [personal profile] stultiloquentia Date: 2010-10-27 11:23 pm (UTC)
This is such a neat post.
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From: [personal profile] trinker Date: 2010-11-04 06:13 am (UTC)
You rock so hard.

There are women geek spaces that desperately need to see this entry.
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From: [personal profile] nonethefewer Date: 2010-11-04 04:23 pm (UTC)
Yall, bash scripting is the got-dam devil.  I tend to recommend Perl, myself.  Of course, I also tend to recommend fire, so, you know.
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From: [personal profile] nonethefewer Date: 2010-11-04 04:33 pm (UTC)
Dear self: finish reading the post before you comment!

By which I mean to say, I love this post beyond words.
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From: [identity profile] tygermama.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 01:24 am (UTC)
"Because I get no one is nearly as weird as I am about the joy of building stuff, but no one should ever be afraid to do their own repairs and build their own systems if they want to, and I thought maybe if I wrote up what I did, it might make them want to try, too.

Thank you, I've wanted to learn this stuff, programming and building computers, myself for a while and I always made excuses, now I'm going to stop. I want to build my own laptop and install linux, cause I keep getting winsys32 errors and it's pissing me off and at least this way, if there's a fuck up, it'll be my fuck up and I can figure out how to fix it.

and I totally teared up when you talked about your server lighting up for the first time.
edited at: Date: 2010-10-27 01:24 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 02:10 am (UTC)
I swear, it's not as difficult as it seems. It's definitely a learning process, but man, when you get something to work? You feel high.

When you do, journal about it? I'd love to read your experiences!

From: [identity profile] apetslife.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 01:29 am (UTC)
"Because you'd be amazed how many women in fandom write their own programs, learn entire new programming languages, install and configure software better than any professional, and jury-rig their own systems as a matter of course. Because there wasn't anyone for us to ask, and no one to do it for us, so when we wanted an archiving program, a domain, a server, a place of our own for our fic, for our vids, for our meta, for our academic and professional work, we had to learn to do it ourselves."

This. So much this.

Without the impetus of fandom, I'd never have taught myself Photoshop, HTML, scripting, ftp, and basic web protocols.

Without fellow fans helping me I'd never have broken down and rebuilt my own first computer. I'd never have realized that manuals can be found all over the place. I wouldn't have had the guts to rip out that first hard drive, install that first OS, play with command lines, and learn the guts and bolts of software and hardware and how to make them play nicely together.

In short, I'd probably still be working in HR, which I hated, instead of as a systems admin, which I adore.

Thank you, fandom.

(Also, my department is two women and two men, supporting 300+ users. Both of the men are more into graphic design, website administration, and project and department management. My female coworker and I are the hardware/server/back end admins. Which always amuses us all, as the stereotype turned upside-down)
edited at: Date: 2010-10-27 01:30 am (UTC)

From: [identity profile] ashleigh-lin.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 01:59 am (UTC)
omg I don't know what's wrong with me, but that made me cry. I am crying what the actual hell? Also I love you and fucking amen.

From: [identity profile] imwalde.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 04:30 am (UTC)
me too! I got all teary!

From: [identity profile] zelempa.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 02:14 am (UTC)
Yes!

Skills I learned, am in the process of learning, or greatly improved thanks to fandom, include, but are probably not limited to:

- Writing
- Drawing
- Video manipulation
- Audio recording
- Web programming (to some extent; I also did this for nonfandom personal projects, and now, for work, but putting together TV show episode guides and personal fic and art archives have been really valuable)
- Bass guitar playing (okay, this is pretty darn tangential... but the songs I like to practice are the ones which I came to love through other people's vids, and which I still associate strongly with particular characters. I play "Starlight" by Muse now because of a vid by spacedmonkey in 2006 (http://community.livejournal.com/mckay_sheppard/1088020.html). Practicing *feels* fannish.)

... in other words... pretty much everything that I like to do.

Thank you, everybody.

From: [identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 02:38 am (UTC)
Shell scripting is awesome and also, if you're very good at it, can do your entire job as a sysadmin for you while you fuck around on LJ and nap under the desk.

Um, not that I've done this is in the past or anything.

PS your reasons for getting into computers are better than mine - I just didn't want to do too many pure Math courses at University.

From: [identity profile] redblueskies.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 03:14 am (UTC)
Hi, normally I lurk around (I've been trying to be more outspoken recently, but... it's hard). However this post really means something to me, so I thought I should shout out and say thank you!

I'm a third year computer science student who can't do half the stuff you can, but really, really wants to know how. I wanted to take this opportunity to thank you, and others like you, who kindled my interest in computers, and let me know that it wasn't a stupid dream to pursue. If it weren't for fandom I think I probably would have always been interested but I doubt I would have gathered up the courage to go ahead and try. So, thank you very, very much. Most especially for letting people like me know it can be done!

From: [identity profile] park-hye-in.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 03:24 am (UTC)
this is beautiful. thank you for saying it.

From: [identity profile] sarren.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 04:17 am (UTC)
That is incredible.

Best wishes that your surgery goes swimmingly.

From: [identity profile] professorkatze.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 06:48 am (UTC)
Hi, it's past one thirty in the morning and I have class in the morning so I won't embarrass either of us by trying for coherency, but -
I've been see-sawing about whether or not to take a comp sci course next semester because while 1) it sounds brilliant, 2) I am complete rubbish at computers. This post has convinced me to get off my ass and study every possible programming-related page I can find on wiki, or at least enough so I can understand what Python, which is apparently what they teach in the beginner's course, is all about. Idk, I thought it was a horror flick? Maybe that's Anaconda.
Already I have three pages of heavily underlined notes. Admittedly I wrote them left-handed, which means my letters are still badly formed and blocky. Hmmm.
Anyway. I had a point. That point was, thank you for convincing me to take that class and hey, if it doesn't turn out at least I tried, right? And if it does, maybe one day I too can build my own personal Atlantis. (What? Don't tell me you didn't think that when it lit up for you.)

From: [identity profile] naughtyoldlady.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 10:48 am (UTC)
You totally should have given the cab guy the long answer, just to see his face. ;-)

From: [identity profile] lemon-tree-7.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 11:54 am (UTC)
This is awesome and inspiring!
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From: [personal profile] ender24 Date: 2010-10-27 02:05 pm (UTC)
heee, yep, basically, yes.

of course, I am not that much obsessed as you are, or as some others, but five years ago, i would have never dreamed to learn so much about computers , and all things involved, if not for fandom.

makes me a bit wistful, how my life would have turned out, if fandom was existing for me back then, when I was fifteen.
Might have chosen a slightly different career choice.......
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From: [personal profile] starr_falling Date: 2010-10-27 04:56 pm (UTC)
Lurker here (I really am trying to be better at commenting).

First, I wanted to say I hope your surgery goes well and you will be in my thoughts tomorrow. (I still can't understand how there are people who voluntarily have surgery they don't actually need. *shudders*)

Second, I came here for the fic and stayed for the awesome. I have wanted to learn more about computer hardware and software for some time but have been put off by just how much stuff there is and no way to tell what's relevant, what's obsolete and what's obsolete but still necessary to know to understand currently relevant stuff. *sigh* I have decide though that I am going to learn CCS and brush up on HTML even if it kills me so I can prettify my LJ/DW/AO3. Also I used to find HTML fun back in the day and I really miss that. Thank you so much for being so enthusiastic and making me remember how fun all this could be and that it really isn't the end of the world if I mess up. *hugs*

From: [identity profile] jarlsberg71.livejournal.com Date: 2010-10-27 09:42 pm (UTC)
I am waiting for the result of df- k Ok? :D

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