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Thursday, May 24th, 2007 11:27 pm
well, that is not unexpected
Oh Marvel.
Oh come on. At this point, we really can't do anything but laugh.
I--seriously. Do they and fanlib have the same brilliant publicity strategy?
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deadlychameleon, a link to Comic Book Resources about comics and libraries.
Librarians are about the last group in the world interested in anything resembling censorship, but they also are beholden to their own communities, and they fret a lot about what crosses what line. Of major concern to many librarians are excesses we could easily get by, if we abandoned the notion that the medium and the art of comics are somehow improved by being a boys' club of unfettered pandering to our own basest instincts. Mainly characterized by triple-E cups and degrading male-dominated sexual content. Strange as it may sound, apparently girls, a large portion of the library comics audience, don't like things like that. Which might be grounds for schism right there, since, apparently, many artists seem to be attracted to comics not to tell stories but to indulge those particular fantasies. No librarian I spoke with wanted to tell anyone not to create that kind of material, but its sheer prevalence, often in apparently comics where it doesn't seem appropriate, bothers a lot of them.
And fromadannu
Marvel Comics Have Lost Its Damn Mind byasim with an interesting, thoughtful look at the cover and Marvel's history with superhero women.
I'm thinking more and more on Child.
The thing is, I'm not against him seeing nudity, violence, etc. I temper it to his age, the level of sex in it, and the cheesiness of the violence; seriously, anything made for Sci-Fi channel almost automatically is fine, except Battlestar Galactica, since second season themes, while awesome, aren't going to be something he understands. Well, and some others, but you get the idea. And frankly, I can't see how seeing nudity could possibly destroy his soul. Porn, no. Highly sexual nudity, no. But outside that, eh. Seeing a breast never killed anyone. I think. *shrugs*
So what's getting to me is the fact that the statue might not be marketed to his age group, but a lot of comics *are*, and many *do* have more explicit stuff than I'm perfectly comfortable with. Nudity and revealing clothing aren't a problem; non-explicit violence isn't even a problem. It comes down to sexualizing *everything*, where there's no room for anything else.
Sidenote: I'm fairly amused that at this point, I can leave out Gravitation and no one would even notice it, but this one? I would get the freaked out stares. And it's not the only one. Best Friend and her brothers are huge comics collectors and action figure collectors, so I've seen a lot of covers over the years.
It's--hmm. I'm thinking on how to put this.
I hate the protect the children rhetoric of politicians and some other parents. I've always been pretty much under the impression I can do that very well by myself, thanks. I control his incoming media and the television. Which is my point. I really don't *want* him to read these. I am behind the right to sell the comics in any way seen fit by the people who make them, but it *is* annoying that something that is at least somewhat supposed to be read by kids is--uncomfortable for me to look at. And frankly, as the one who buys his entertainment, final decision isn't going to be with Fanboy In Training here--it's going to be me.
It's been something I've been considering since the entire MJ thing--not that Child would get or even understand what I have a problem with. Or that he'd ever see that thing, ever. It's not about Marvel's right to do whatever the hell they want with whatever they want. Do every comic female doing housework for her man. I can not buy and choose not to buy what pisses me off. And I'll include what Child buys and doesn't buy in that judgement.
Child is a future fanboy. He's Dr. Who and obsessively buying action heros and books, loves superhero movies and cartoons, and he's a potential market who will, will, will be spending money at some point that is not mine. And he'll buy things in his fannish pursuits just like I do. This? Just won't be one of the things he was raised to enjoy and want to buy.
I don't particularly like it, but I can find him comics that don't annoy me quite so much. He can stick with the cartoons for his superhero fix.
Oh come on. At this point, we really can't do anything but laugh.
I--seriously. Do they and fanlib have the same brilliant publicity strategy?
ETA:
From
deadlychameleon, a link to Comic Book Resources about comics and libraries.Librarians are about the last group in the world interested in anything resembling censorship, but they also are beholden to their own communities, and they fret a lot about what crosses what line. Of major concern to many librarians are excesses we could easily get by, if we abandoned the notion that the medium and the art of comics are somehow improved by being a boys' club of unfettered pandering to our own basest instincts. Mainly characterized by triple-E cups and degrading male-dominated sexual content. Strange as it may sound, apparently girls, a large portion of the library comics audience, don't like things like that. Which might be grounds for schism right there, since, apparently, many artists seem to be attracted to comics not to tell stories but to indulge those particular fantasies. No librarian I spoke with wanted to tell anyone not to create that kind of material, but its sheer prevalence, often in apparently comics where it doesn't seem appropriate, bothers a lot of them.
And from
adannuMarvel Comics Have Lost Its Damn Mind by
asim with an interesting, thoughtful look at the cover and Marvel's history with superhero women.I'm thinking more and more on Child.
The thing is, I'm not against him seeing nudity, violence, etc. I temper it to his age, the level of sex in it, and the cheesiness of the violence; seriously, anything made for Sci-Fi channel almost automatically is fine, except Battlestar Galactica, since second season themes, while awesome, aren't going to be something he understands. Well, and some others, but you get the idea. And frankly, I can't see how seeing nudity could possibly destroy his soul. Porn, no. Highly sexual nudity, no. But outside that, eh. Seeing a breast never killed anyone. I think. *shrugs*
So what's getting to me is the fact that the statue might not be marketed to his age group, but a lot of comics *are*, and many *do* have more explicit stuff than I'm perfectly comfortable with. Nudity and revealing clothing aren't a problem; non-explicit violence isn't even a problem. It comes down to sexualizing *everything*, where there's no room for anything else.
Sidenote: I'm fairly amused that at this point, I can leave out Gravitation and no one would even notice it, but this one? I would get the freaked out stares. And it's not the only one. Best Friend and her brothers are huge comics collectors and action figure collectors, so I've seen a lot of covers over the years.
It's--hmm. I'm thinking on how to put this.
I hate the protect the children rhetoric of politicians and some other parents. I've always been pretty much under the impression I can do that very well by myself, thanks. I control his incoming media and the television. Which is my point. I really don't *want* him to read these. I am behind the right to sell the comics in any way seen fit by the people who make them, but it *is* annoying that something that is at least somewhat supposed to be read by kids is--uncomfortable for me to look at. And frankly, as the one who buys his entertainment, final decision isn't going to be with Fanboy In Training here--it's going to be me.
It's been something I've been considering since the entire MJ thing--not that Child would get or even understand what I have a problem with. Or that he'd ever see that thing, ever. It's not about Marvel's right to do whatever the hell they want with whatever they want. Do every comic female doing housework for her man. I can not buy and choose not to buy what pisses me off. And I'll include what Child buys and doesn't buy in that judgement.
Child is a future fanboy. He's Dr. Who and obsessively buying action heros and books, loves superhero movies and cartoons, and he's a potential market who will, will, will be spending money at some point that is not mine. And he'll buy things in his fannish pursuits just like I do. This? Just won't be one of the things he was raised to enjoy and want to buy.
I don't particularly like it, but I can find him comics that don't annoy me quite so much. He can stick with the cartoons for his superhero fix.
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From:Wow. Heroes for hire? Like, for weird tentacle prostitution? ROTFL
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From:That cover is really ugly. Though I did once read Weiss Kreuz tentacle porn that was okay...
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From:And I love your attitude toward what your boy may see; of course, I'm European, so the nudity taboo of US-American culture is truly baffling for me in the first place.
I think one important point about child-rearing is to find a balance: to let your child see the world yet not overexpose her or him to skewed images of How Things Are -- comic depictions of women alone won't screw with a sensible kid's head, but it's not like popular media in general don't already twist and turn reality upside down and portray women as lesser, weaker, and thoroughly sexualised creatures. Again with the European: Should I ever have children, I won't let them watch TV, or only very little with supervision...and not just due to the content of a fake reality: Extensive research has found a direct anti-proportional link between intelligence & college degrees and TV consumption as a child.
Err, okay. ::steps off soapbox:: Don't take this at all as telling you how to raise Child; there's just always a lot of stuff brewing int the back of my mind about nurture and education all the way up to universities and why they suck dead donkey balls more often than not. 0 :-)
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From:Please, do check it out. Show people that Heroes and apparently NBC isn't above going for the lowest common denominator either.
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From:I agree that it's up to the parents to police a child's viewing/reading, but, my god, when you can't tell a comic book from a freaking Playboy, it's gotten ridiculous. Since when did it become a good idea to sell comics in brown paper wrappers?
And that's not even going into the whole fact that, once again, women are being objectified to the point of being non-people. And I'm sorry, but there's enough violence against women because some men don't see them as humans with the right to not be beaten, raped, or murdered without training young boys to see us only as objects. What's next, a comic showing how much fun it is to stone women to death? /ends rant
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From:This is a tangent, I know, but I keep seeing this Lowe's commercial where the mother says to her boy child, "I want new floors but can't figure out how to tell your Dad." And boy child immediately yells, "Dad, Mom wants new floors!". The tag to this ad is the boy yelling, "Mom, Dad wants a new motorcycle!"
Everytime I hear this ad I cringe at it's sexism. Mom wants something for the house, not herself. Dad wants a new toy. And yet both, apparently, share an equal fear/dread of telling the other when what they respectively want are in no way equal. This just brings home how god damned sexist the ad industry still is - either that or completely clueless - because if the boy had yelled, "Mom, Dad wants new windows!" Or anything else that benefits the house and not him, I wouldn't be typing this.
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