I know very well this is for cheap laughs, but I am cheap and I laughed.

Bestiality Law? Florida Takes Another Shot At Passing Bill
As everyone who has ever reported this story will tell you, "Florida is one of only a dozen or so states that don't have a law against bestiality on the books." So, Democratic State Senator Nan Rich is taking her second shot at getting a law passed that would criminalize this sort of thing. This past Monday, the State Senate, by unanimous vote, passed a law that would make this sort of thing "a first-degree misdemeanor... with a penalty of up to a year in jail." It now goes to the State House, where a similar measure spurred by Rich and passed by the Florida State Senate last year failed to pass, despite the fact that it was pretty clear about how it was about people in Florida copulating with dogs and goats and whatnot


I'll be honest. This is not a law I would think anyone would really like, need to debate that much. Should you or should you not have sex with Fluffy the Hamster or Polly the Pig? That is not what I'd call a difficult question, okay?

Via [livejournal.com profile] meret: 21-Foot-Tall Robot Baby To Defend People's Republic - exactly what it says.
From comments: It has been three years since the descent of Glorious-
Heavensent-Infant-Who-Walks-In-Grace. Three years since the Eyes, ever-watching. We creep between its soft fleshy toes and pray, and when prayer is not enough we weep. For the People's Republic is no more. We are the Infant-Ruled and the Infant-Born, and we live in the shadow of the Eyes, ever-watching.


I am not saying this is how skynet started; skynet isn't this scary. I don't even want to know what happens to small villages if diapers aren't changed in time.

At Last, A Family Movie About Children Going to Hell which the only reason I am posting this, besides the sheer curiosity about Lizzie Borden teaching Home Economics, is a comment that yet again wonders why kids just can't read like, the fantasy classics made famous by Lord of The Rings and Dante's Inferno and why create dumbed-down versions?

My argument: because classics are classics because they are old and stylistically sometimes pretty goddamn boring.

Long version is like, five pages long and I removed it because apparently, I am surprisingly adamant on like, why literacy is not the same as reading and teaching one does not bestow understanding the second with an intersection into classism in literature, which is just kind of weirdly unsettling to read now. With anecdotes, even.

I will leave with this--kid's version of Moby Dick? Not better than the long version, but so much shorter.
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From: [personal profile] celli Date: 2010-04-30 07:49 pm (UTC)
We all read Dante's Inferno as teens? ...really?
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From: [personal profile] bientot Date: 2010-05-01 02:18 am (UTC)
With a tag like, "Abandon hope, all ye who enter here," how could we resist??
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From: [personal profile] feanna Date: 2010-04-30 08:04 pm (UTC)
While I'm against harming animals, I'm also against legislating what people do... well, I was going to say in their bedrooms, but..., but my point stands.

Also, it's really, well, let's go with interesting, what the internet turns out when you even only peek under the surface (nobody will be surprised at this and it's my own fault, but I couldn't look away (I do mean look, there is video, let me tell you.) Also, accounts of sex with dolphins and wiki articles on zoophilia and maybe I should have resisted my curiosity (that is also what compelled me to surf that side on body-mods and I had NOT known the things people could do) but this is not why I'm here, except maybe to say, that while I'm not going to be going arround lobbying for people to be allowed to have sex with animals, I'm also not comfortable with simply laughing at "those weirdoes". (Ehm, sorry for any amout of TMI, sometimes I curse my curiosity too, this does not help me stay away most of the time, sadly.)

I guess my main point (excuse my rambling) would actually be the question of: Is this kind of behaviour so frequent (and frequently observed) that we need to make laws about it? How often has anybody who lives where such laws existactually been sued for something like this?
Of course there need to be laws to protect animals from harm, but I'm somewhat doubtful that this is the best way to go about it.
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From: [personal profile] majoline Date: 2010-04-30 08:09 pm (UTC)
How often has anybody who lives where such laws existactually been sued for something like this?

Someone a few years ago on the MS Gulf Coast somewhere, got arrested and his horses taken away when they found he was... yeah.

So maybe that's a common thing?

And speaking of wikipedia, don't dolphins find people attractive? Does that count if the dolphin starts it? *ponders*

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From: [personal profile] majoline Date: 2010-04-30 08:07 pm (UTC)
I am not saying this is how skynet started; skynet isn't this scary. I don't even want to know what happens to small villages if diapers aren't changed in time.

You have officially creeped me out; now that I know the Robot Apocalypse is going to hit my Uncanny!Valley buttons as well, thanks!

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From: [personal profile] bientot Date: 2010-05-01 02:28 am (UTC)
Unfortunately it's apparently not as uncommon as we might hope: this "Bestiality farm" was busted recently in northern Washington state.

FWIW, I managed to get through high school 'Moby Dick' with the Classics Illustrated version, because, really? But I've read 'Bartleby the Scrivener' over and over.
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From: [personal profile] cerise Date: 2010-05-01 05:06 am (UTC)
I loved Charles Dickens and the Bronte's and Jane Austin at school, but I was a rarity.
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From: [personal profile] kahtyasofia Date: 2010-05-01 05:59 am (UTC)
What gets me are the states that make it illegal for same-gender humans to marry but still leave it legal copulate with your livestock.

Seriously, WTF?
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From: [identity profile] harborshore.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 07:49 pm (UTC)
Oh man. Okay. Let me preface this comment by warning for, uh, disturbing content.


Sweden does in fact not have a law against bestiality (WHY THE HELL NOT, I ASK), and there's this youtube clip from the last time the debate was up of the debate in parliament when the then-current minister of health (oh I wish I was kidding) commented that the boundaries would be hard to set: "Would it in fact be wrong to smear something on your sex that smells good to your dog and let them lick it off? Would it be wrong to caress the teats of your sow?"

ETA: Don't you think this is a great way to delurk? *hides*
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From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 08:37 pm (UTC)
I kind of adore you right now.

Would it in fact be wrong to smear something on your sex that smells good to your dog and let them lick it off? Would it be wrong to caress the teats of your sow?"

I can see how that would be a...a hard boundary to set. With the rubbing and whatnot.

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From: [identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 08:01 pm (UTC)
I would like to read that five-pages-long thing. Why deleting? :(

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 08:15 pm (UTC)
I have a note on the end that says [livejournal.com profile] fox103 is looking at me balefully right now. *grins* I got a little--enthusiastic.

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From: [identity profile] ann-tara.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 08:33 pm (UTC)
"Florida is one of only a dozen or so states that don't have a law against bestiality on the books."

Woo-hoo! We rule! Bwah! ;)

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 08:45 pm (UTC)
I'm still boggling at the twelve states thing.

Bestiality should not be illegal.

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From: [identity profile] feanna.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 09:14 pm (UTC)
DW not accessible right now, so in my reply to your reply to me there:
Yeah, I think it's not THAT rare (amongst other things I stumbled upon guessed figures, that I can't remember exactly, but that were not zero), but as I said in another reply, I just can't help wondering how much it's about actually protecting animals (which is commendable) and how much it's about the ICK!-factor, which, as much as I don't have a desire to do any of these things, am not comfortable judging other people for.

From: [identity profile] sizequeen.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 09:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Just because it's not my kink doesn't mean that it should be illegal.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 10:56 pm (UTC)
I'm honestly pretty comfortable judging people who fuck animals, as in real ones, in real life, who are alive and potentially pets and members of the family, or working farm animals, or running through the forest or whatever.

From: [identity profile] reddwarfer.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 09:40 pm (UTC)
I think bestiality being illegal is sort of silly. If some guy wants to fuck a sheep, I really don't want to know about it.

Also, I'm an English major and I concur: The classics are boring as shit a good deal of the time.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 11:00 pm (UTC)
I don't want to know about it either, unless he wants to fuck me after fucking a sheep and brings a new and exciting variation of an STD from being mutated by an animal vector, or that sheep goes on with the same and infects the population, or we enter pandemic territory et al. Not to mention the other ethical issues surrounding it that do not pertain to using them as food or clothing, but a living being as a sex toy.

I mean, I am not and never have been a member of PETA nor do I abstain from meat, but I'll fight for the right for animals not to be raped by people.

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From: [personal profile] kernezelda Date: 2010-04-30 11:25 pm (UTC)
Have you ever read Connie Willis' "All the Darling Daughters"? It fits with your post in an oblique tangent, and it will send a chill down your spine. I first read it in 1985, and have never forgotten the icy comprehension and horror of it.

From: [identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com Date: 2010-04-30 11:41 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I'll have to look for that one.

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From: [identity profile] realpestilence.livejournal.com Date: 2010-05-02 02:09 am (UTC)
WE DO THINGS ~DIFFERENTLY IN FLORIDA, OK?! LMAO


We are, after all, an international hub of travel and tourism, with over 140 language represented among its population, last census. There's a lot of money rolling through here (even though the commoners like me never get to touch it) and they're trying to bring casinos in...y'know, to add to the wonderful mix of gangs, drug rings, smugglers (diaper and baby food rings are really popular, no lie!), illegals and expatriates and whatnot...

We need to be open-minded for all the wonderful new experiences our state will surely reap the benefit from once these casinos bring in even ~more interesting guests! ~pins on a Disney World smile

(Guests, who will ~not, hopefully, do things like release giant ass Burmese Pythons into the Everglades, or let their kangaroo escape to run rampant through the countryside-those fuckers can kill with their feet, you know!- or strew their lakeside property with water hyacinths that then spread throughout the state and choke entire river systems :D :D :D)



Oh, Sep...you done got me started on La Florida, ever popular subject of my rants and yet, somehow, still the recipient of my angry, smouldering love.


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