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i need a t-shirt now

So I had this entire grumpy post, and now I do not.

This is why.

thefourthvine sees girls lining up to watch the three AM premiere of the movie Eclipse.

Oh, and girls? Please don't laugh along with people you think are laughing at you. Nothing you're doing is stupid or embarrassing. You care about something. You love something. It's important to you, and that makes it valuable. If people think that's funny? Please, please: just tell them to go fuck themselves.

I wish this could be handed out on embossed cards. And not just to teenage girls.

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I find it humorous that these books teach women that they only find value through men and of course men are the key to immortality [per Mormon] and it's excused because we're celebrating a female based fandom. I'm starting to value female-based fandom less because of the things girls seems to be fans of - not because there aren't enough explosions but because look at this crap. What is it with fandom? They harp any kind of perceived offensiveness to death but real offensiveness is brushed off.

Girlwonder.org? Stephanie Brown was Robin for 90 days and not Bruce's adopted child but of course they can't treat her any differently than Jason because I say so, that's why. I was more offended by that damn skirt. If Cassandra Cain had gotten a damn website maybe I'd care - but the major thing for her is by a guy. She had a huge moral dilemma, struggled emotionally, was half-Asian, and was competent as fuck. But no, everyone identifies with Steph because they think they would be her so now she's Bargirl. What progress!

Twilight? You will die without a man. He will protect you, he can stalk you, it's okay. Buffy was the freaking hero - she fought back - Bella simpers and falls down a lot. Everyone identifies with her.

Sex And The City - Once again it's about men and being shallow! And everyone loves shoes right?

TV Sookie Stackhouse is a twit. What happened to Blood Ties? It wasn't smutty enough right? Maybe we should put Anita Blake on TV so I can stab myself in the eye. No wonder everyone prefers Harry Dresden - his female friends are intelligent and amazing.

Grey's Anatomy? Holy shit. When Jeffrey Dean Morgan was on the View that's all they wanted to blather about - nothing about the role he was actually on the damn show for - a serious, misogynistic role that could have been a great discussion.

Our rolemodels are crappy. This is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed. All this crap about responsible media and how we're all accountable for our actions until boys mock it and then we're all up in arms. Guys lose respect for women when they see this shit. Not because it's brainless, but because it shows women as less and women eat it up. What does that say to men?

I'll stop mocking this crap when it stops being horrible. Just because a girl likes it doesn't give it value.

Just because a girl likes something you don't like doesn't take away from her value. There, fixed it for you.

Well, it is a less valuable female-based fandom. What does it say to men?

God knows what would happen if we didn't keep their opinion of us as a gender in mind while choosing our entertainments.

*worries* Should I have been polling the guys I know before choosing something? I bet they'd respect my decision-making skills more if let their opinions decide.

...you know, that last part possibly isn't ironic. Yeah, this entry killed that tiny bit of squee I managed today.

I get the impression squeekill was kind of the point, which, >:( . I am generally susceptible to all kinds of concern trollings, but WHAT WILL THE ~~REAL PEOPLE~~ MENS THINK? is so far off that list it's not funny.

::offers leftover squee::

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seperis.livejournal.com - 2010-07-02 13:17 (UTC) - Expand

Did I say women are now not valuable? I am offended by the contents of this book and these shows that portray women as less than I think they are and that's a bad thing? I make fun of them because I can't write 27,000 words essays on why they fail because I'm not that person.

So no, you didn't fix that for me. You fixed that for your own interpretation of what I wrote. It is possible for me to make fun of something someone fangirls while recognizing they may have other traits that make them valuable or special.

I'm starting to value female-based fandom less because of the things girls seems to be fans of - not because there aren't enough explosions but because look at this crap.

Not because it's brainless, but because it shows women as less and women eat it up. What does that say to men?

I'm starting to value female-based fandom less because of the things girls seems to be fans of

What does that say to men?

...are you fucking serious?

We used to have at least a passing acquaintance at women I could look up too, and now they are becoming fewer and fewer. Why should I dismiss the content of something because women like it? I'm not going to be a fan of something that I find offensive because it's female driven.

Why the hell would I celebrate a female based fandom for a movie with a female director when the original storyline is all male oriented. I'm not suddenly going to be okay with this message because a lot of women enjoy it.

I'm only kind of serious. Mostly this is because I am mad at you for telling people to buy a song by Emimem, a known homophobe, and woman hater, after you spread all these signal boost fandom arguments. I don't find that kind of thing very funny.

I think you should get a squishy ball for stress and squish it. They also do wonders for hand cramps.

Mostly this is because I am mad at you for telling people to buy a song by Emimem, a known homophobe, and woman hater, after you spread all these signal boost fandom arguments. I don't find that kind of thing very funny.

Okay, I was wrong, it's called a stress ball (http://www.promotionalstressballs.co.uk/).

I'm only kind of serious.

Maybe a troll-shaped stress ball? Interesting, relevant, and powerful arguments have and can be made against Twilight and the Twilight franchise, and you chose I want boys to like me as an argument base?

Wouldn't it have been easier just to, you know, comment on the Eminem entry? Y'know. Less stressful.

OH MY GOD THEY HAVE ONE THAT IS A GRENADE.

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seperis.livejournal.com - 2010-06-30 21:20 (UTC) - Expand

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traveller.livejournal.com - 2010-06-30 21:22 (UTC) - Expand

I want boys to like heterosexual women actually, but the point of trolling is to be over the top with it.

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seperis.livejournal.com - 2010-06-30 23:30 (UTC) - Expand

So Twilight is problematic because it seems to have the message that you'll die without a men, and therefore men will think it's stupid. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Guys lose respect for women when they see this shit.

And lord knows, what guys respect is the ultimate measure.

Messages about how you'll die without a man are problematic because they'll make men thing we're stupid! Duh.

This is only part of my comment that anyone notices? Nothing about how media continues to preach women are lesser without men, or anything else? Or how you drew this conclusion because I pointed that it's not just about men making fun of us but that this kind of crap causes men to think less of women altogether.

Three years of fandom screaming at people for everything and this kind of stuff just get dismissed because why?

Well no, you listed a series of shows and movies and books that you found so problematic you couldn't enjoy them, there's not really an argument against opinion, but your final argument basically summed it all up with "and then the men will think we're stupid," which I, and several others, have many problems with. So that's probably why you're seeing the big focus on it.

But if they disrespect something females like suddenly it matters a lot right and fangirling is so important because look we're just like those guy who hang out for Star Wars.

No, when they disrespect something women and girls like because women and girls like it, it matters a lot. Men not liking slash? No problem. Men thinking slash is stupid and God, those women and their posts! Problem. Men not linking Twilight. No problem. I don't like Twilight. Men dissing girls for "ruining" cons and lining up to see a movie while they turned out in droves for a racist piece of trash like Transformers or Avatar? Problem.

Our rolemodels are crappy. This is embarrassing. I'm embarrassed. All this crap about responsible media and how we're all accountable for our actions until boys mock it and then we're all up in arms. Guys lose respect for women when they see this shit. Not because it's brainless, but because it shows women as less and women eat it up. What does that say to men?

My enjoyment of *anything* in general is not predicated on what I think guys will think of it. That sort of defeats the purpose of the whole endeavor if it's not about me. Enjoyment can be a selfish thing, that's perfectly okay.

You seem incredibly angry, and hey, I get that, I feel that way too sometimes, but I don't have the time to wait for the perfect, or event he almost perfect entertainment, I'd much rather find enjoyment and happiness and knowledge. I am aware of the faults around me but enjoying stories in which they exist does not lessen my enjoyment for me. Also, my enjoyment is not about you. Or anyone else.

So...because you assume guys are going to mock something then you're going to mock it as well? Because--why? You want the guys to respect you? You want the girls to respect you?

Are you even listening to yourself?

My recommendation is to stop giving a shit about what guys might say, as though this is recess in the third grade and the boys are teasing the girls about cooties. The Twilight series is not my thing, but I have no problem seeing WHY it is so popular, and just because a population of hypothetical "guys" don't approve of that, that doesn't actually mean their opinion matters. Their viewpoint is not the default, wherein variations from that viewpoint are "deviant" or "biased". (Technically, biologically, there are more women than men, so as far as I'm concerned, if a man has a problem with Twilight, that man can suck it.)

By the way, the Harry Dresden series is unreadable to me for the blatant misogyny of his books. Who told you his female friends are intelligent and amazing--men? So now are you going to mock me because my opinion deviates from yours/theirs?

THAT IS NOT THE ONLY THING I WROTE. These shows show women as unintelligent, or unable to function without men. I don't want respect from any of you. I want women role models who are not damsels or idiots - not people who make me lose respect for all of media.

My point was men see women finding this series that devalues women popular and a lot of them lose respect for women. And since women are still not getting equal pay, equal rights, etc...perhaps I should be worried that I see men becoming more bitter and young girls relating to a character that almost lost her mind when her boyfriend dumped her. I do care what men think because I value their input as well as women's.

By the way, the Harry Dresden series is unreadable to me for the blatant misogyny of his books.

What the fuck? I told me they were amazing. I have no idea what you are talking about. No, I'm not going to mock you for thinking that, but I will mock whatever the hell I want.

Well, shit! I've been watching these movies all wrong.

Here I am thinking it's all about watching for any indication that Edward and Jacob were busy swapping tongues off-screen when I should have been focusing on the problematic gender politics and being all apologetic and ashamed that I find this fandom to be a complete and total broody stoner riot. I'm such a bad feminist.

It sucks when someone does it back right? I almost feel better now.

You're going to pick Stephanie Brown to be down on? Stephanie Brown who made herself a hero despite where she comes from? Who asked Cass to help train her even though it meant getting beaten up over and over and over because Cass was astronomical amounts of better? Who dared to keep doing something she wasn't especially good at when she started out, when girls are taught they must be perfect right away or shouldn't bother trying?

Yes, she's a terrible role model. I have no idea why girls find her inspiring. And before you say anything--my favorite DC character is in my icon, but the three I love the most are Cass, Steph, and Babs, because they all overcame such shitloads of adversity in their very own way.

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