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seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2011-06-13 02:24 am

movie: x-men first class

I've been trying to figure out how to review this without gushing on archetypes and good intentions, because in a surprise twist, our archetypes are mixed and not very archetypical and good intentions aren't even in the running when the intention is survival.

It happened like this.

Note: practical recap of movie below. Spoilers. Lots of spoilers. For pretty much everything.



It's an old story; a basically good but misguided antihero trips down the good intentions path toward doom, leaving the too-good, priggish BFF to sigh in disappointment and tearfully move on while former BFF threatens him with death, and the sad BFF continues on his straight and narrow path that he finds so natural he can't understand why anyone would choose otherwise, cry unhappy tears into his pillow at night, because if only, if only former BFF understood. It's obvious. Why would you choose anything else?. Which X-Men was all about with Charles and Erik; you could practically hear the rising music.

I tend to be more sympathetic to the villains at that point; I mean, it's one thing to be like, evil, but man, your plans fail, you're locked up, and that's not punishment enough? Like, you have to have Sad Priggish Former BFF radiating disappointment at you, too? And we wonder about supervillian recidivism; it's not like that shit gets you hot to join the Way of the Light.

This isn't that story.

On a stretch of deserted beach surrounded in warships on the cusp of an apocalypse, Erik Lensherr killed Charles Xavier, slowly, deaf to the sound of his screams, his sobbing pleas, as he looked into the eyes of the man who was his best friend and watched him die and changed the course of destiny that would have cemented a partnership unlike anything the world had ever seen and created a world where human would be a filthy word.

This? Is a much better story.

*****

Charles is many things, but priggish, no; brilliant, hilariously young and not good with people, a little arrogant, intensely loyal, surprisingly intense when mutants are concerned, sweetly intentioned, basically good, and still not sure who he is. Contrast to Erik, who is brilliant, intense, focused, extremely good with people when needed, and knows exactly who he is; he just has another mission before we get to that.

Note: I've often had problems with how, in general, the concept of telepathy is treated in terms of extrasensory powers, contrast to how it's treated if you have, say, super sensitive smell or a tail. One of the few shows ever to even attempt to examine it is, of all things, TNG, when Deanna Troi lost her empathy briefly and it was finally--finally--acknowledged that it's a fundamental part of their makeup and living without can be like losing an entire sense you've had all your life, it hurts and it doesn't exist in a vacuum where the brain doesn't realize the wrongness of not being able to do that when the brain is wired to do that. And it's just as mutilating to lose that--or be required not to use it--as it would be for a person born with sight to be required to live most of their lives with their eyes closed except for brief instances when other people permit them to briefly use their own goddamn sense.

Charles does not have this problem; it's refreshing. Unmalicious, casual, easy use, integrated into his daily life like any other sense; it was not even jarring, it was handled so smoothly and competently, as a sense instead of a power. Charles is shaky on who he is, but not so much with himself and what he can do. Hilarious, adorable, using genetics and mutation as a pick-up line (hello, Charles, your geek is fucking hot), casually and innocently connecting heterochromia iridum with what he is, what Raven is, combines a terrifying kind of innocence and an interesting (and possibly instinctual) need to appear harmless to normal humans. Interesting because Charles does not yet consciously think "I don't trust humans" and that's fucking dangerous, because he's living it as much for Raven as for himself.

And he doesn't really realize it.

Charles meets Raven as children in his kitchen; she takes the shape of his mother, and Charles' blank look when she offers hot chocolate if he goes to bed ("My mother has never been in a kitchen in her life. If she wanted me to have hot chocolate, she'd get a maid to make it." Telepathically spoken, btw, and I want to say the actual sentence is "She'd yell for a maid to do it" but I'm not sure). Being below the age of reason and so busted, she transforms into her correct gorgeous blue form. Charles' utter delight is obvious; a mutant! Like him! Blue! (From experience with kids that age, the obvious response; who doesn't want a cool neat-colored best friend?) From the beginning, Charles finds all mutations equally awesome; auburn hair, differently colored eyes, blue skin. Being a kid, of course he wants his new best friend to move in so they can play together forever; being Charles Xavier, he pulls that shit off in ways unknown.

(I have a theory on that if I'm right about the implications of the movie about Charles' childhood; mind-whamming Mummy and Daddy was probably not even necessary. Charles came down to the kitchen with a baseball bat and was really startled to see his mother and not just because she was in the kitchen; when he asks why she didn't tell him she was there, the implication is her presence in his life is the thing that's unusual. They probably never noticed the blonde girl that appeared in their son's life; maybe they assumed they just had a second child they forgot about slightly more thoroughly than they did the eldest one. Charles from the first had the feeling of someone who had no idea he was supposed to be taken care of; it's far more natural, even at ten years old, to care for others.)

In this, Charles never changes consciously; all mutations are beautiful and fantastic. Raven switching forms in front of him is as casual and unremarkable as his use of telepathy; nothing to worry about. Right up until it's in front of other people, years later in Oxford, and that easy casualness vanishes when Raven switches eye color in front of a girl he's hitting on; a girl, by the way, who is baseline human with interesting eyes. His first instinct isn't to play it off, or get away from Raven to break association, just in case; his first instinct is to grab Raven and get the fuck away from there because yeah, humans and mutants must live in peace but that doesn't mean he understands that means he might have to trust them. And he trusts humans, but only when they aren't a threat to him and his.

Erik's life from the day of the bent gate does not get better. He meets Sebastian Bacon--er, sorry, Sebastian Shaw--who embodies the stereotype of the middle aged, fussy scientist for whom knowledge is so much more important than people and on first glance the kind of professor who might sacrifice all in the Pursuit of Science. Fussy and impatient, he tries to make Erik move the coin in his slightly claustrophobic, cluttered office; Erik fails, fails, fails. Muttering to himself about how the Nazi's suck but hey, their methods, not terrible, two guards come with Erik's mother between them and the scene pans open as we stare blankly at a side profile of Erik standing too-thin and helpless in front of that desk and now see the glass wall and doors that show an operating room the likes of which even Dr. Frankenstein could not have entered without horror, white walls and flat cold medical beds, gleaming chrome and chilly glass and a neat line of gleaming metal knives of every size imaginable.

Sebastian isn't a Nazi and a scientist he will never be; he doesn't need the excuse of an organization or a passion for his evil. He's perfectly happy to carry on by himself.

Erik has to the count of three to move a coin or his mother dies; the coin never moves, even when everything else did when the bullet ended her life before his eyes. Sebastian watches in breathless joy as Erik's consumed by his rage and grief; afterward, he wraps an arm around Erik and shares his conclusions: Erik's power comes from rage and pain and walks away to plan Erik's future with a smile, leaving the coin pressed to Erik's palm, letting the failure of gravity illustrate his point.

Erik never really had a chance.

*****

After Charles gets his doctorate in genetics--and God, his geek is ridiculously awesome--he's approached by Moira MacTaggert, a CIA agent who on a stakeout at the Hellfire Club Stripper Night Special infiltrated the club and watched them manipulate a general into planting missiles in Cuba. She asks Charles about mutants, him being the leading expert; with a charming lack of boundaries, he examines her memories and Charles, Raven, and Moira make for the US to sit in a room with the CIA, meet Stryker (oh, lovely), and attempt to reveal himself as a mutant; surprisingly, telepathy isn't convincing; Raven takes matters into her own hands, and immediately, The Man in Black Who Is Played By Oliver Platt offers to take them to his research facility when the CIA wants to take them into custody.

"Custody" and "Research Facility" of course does not sound encouraging: a human would be terrified and panic; another mutant might attack; Magneto would shove their fillings down their throats. Meet Charles Xavier, who uses his telepathy like he breathes and only trusts humans when he doesn't have to interact with them.

Moira's partner gets frozen at a water fountain while Charles guides her to the parking garage, where he Man in Black Who Is Played By Oliver Platt (Oliver!MiB for short) protests until Charles changes his mind with an amused flicker of guileless eyes, because he trusts humans, really, but only when he can control them.

Meanwhile, a Swiss banker frowns over a suitcase filled with gold from a potential investor, but the frown is only for form; it's origins are an atrocity, but for the right price, even atrocities are forgivable. The suitcase is the extent of Erik's subtlety; when the banker won't use his mouth to answer his questions, Erik borrows it for instruction in one of the ways that suitcase was filled with gold and how it was stolen from the bodies of his people. Erik doesn't want or need the distance of weapons to hurt someone; he's already a weapon, and he needs to feel their hurt, even though it can never, never ease his own.

Unsurprisingly, exodentia by smile is convincing; Sebastian is in Argentina.

Around the time Charles is meeting Moira and contemplating the CIA, Erik stares bitterly at a picture of Sebastian in Miami at an Argentinian bar with three men who weren't born anywhere in the southern hemisphere. Hearing one say he was from Dusseldorf, Erik realizes that you can have three birds in the hand and go after the bird in the bush later. It's not like he has anything else to do.

So that ends well.

*****

Their first meeting really is the action-adventure equivalent of a meetcute--see Erik try (awesomely) to kill Sebastian and company with a giant goddamn anchor (this is the coolest thing ever). See Charles leap from a perfectly good law enforcement ship into the ocean (Christ, Charles, you do remember you're telepathic, right? Could have yelled from the ship first? Right, never mind, carry on). See Charles grab Erik and drag him toward the surface fighting every inch of the way and telling him the obvious (hello, you can't breathe water--I don’t think?) and more obvious (there'll be other chance) and completely unspoken (mutations are so hot--wait, did I think that out loud--no, Charles, don't worry, we got that from context, trust me) and the new and impossible (You aren't the only one. You aren't alone. You will never be alone again.)

It actually takes very little--and I mean, like, no--persuasion to stop Erik from wandering off again, and I'll be honest, Charles is charismatic and awesome and leaning sexily against a building, but I'm going to say it wasn't the world's least effective recruiting sentence (that was so not a speech) that convinced Erik to turn around but part three of that sentence, because that was not a recruitment speech.

Raven, Charles, and Erik go to meet Oliver!MiB's scientist, Hank, who a.) Oliver!MiB did not know was a mutant (thanks Charles!) and b.) has awesome feet and c.) is ridiculously stupidly hot and d.) is weird about his feet. Which--okay, seriously? You are self-conscious about a part of your body that you can hide with some decent footwear? Whatever. After showing of a bit, we get taken to Cerebro Mark I, which is a colander attached to thick spaghetti (…why are you putting that on your head, Charles? Erik thinks you are adorable. He already sees you need supervision like whoa, you get this, right?) and lo, Charles can see all the mutants in the world (and you are having…fun there, Charles? Righty-o, carry on). And he and Erik will go get them.

Remember what I said about Charles not yet sure of who he is? During a meeting with Oliver!MiB, Oliver is all WE SHALL RECRUIT which Erik brings to a screaming halt; their own kind should get them, emphasis theirs. Charles, who hadn't had any particular feeling on the subject before that instantly agrees; their own kind should. Humans need not apply.

(Erik also does not use great recruitment techniques, but you don't need them when your audience already has the same beliefs you do. Y'know?)

We end up in a strip club to recruit Angel (thank you for that bed scene forever), and meet Wolverine (hilarity), see Havok in prison (IDEK), Darwin driving a cab (subtle, Erik, very subtle), Banshee traumatizing fish because a girl turned him down (that's--freaky), and add Hank the Wonder Feet and we have a team! A terrible, terrible team who makes Rogue look totally in control of her powers (think about that one). Tossing them in with Raven, Erik and Charles go off to talk about Serious Adult Things Happening in Russia (where Sebastian might be) while the kids get to know each other. This leads to mass property destruction, at which time Erik and Charles come back to stare at them all disapprovingly and the kids defiantly stare back at their parents, because kids these days have no respect for their elders.

In Russia, we learn just how comfy Charles is with his powers.

He:
a.) makes them all invisible with the power of his mind.
b.) takes over someone's mind near the--big big mansion house?--to watch and listen to events.

When it turns out its' not Sebastian but Emma Frost (this is so depressing, IDEK what they were thinking with this role, unless they were going with Sebastian's theme of child abuse fucked Emma up forever, which I think is likely with her reactions through the movie if he got hold of her at a young age) and everyone is ready to pack up and leave, Erik leaps into action because fuck this, not Sebastian but like I said, Erik subscribes to getting both the birds in the hand and the birds in the bush. Charles, proving that leaping from perfectly good boats into water is not the exception but the rule, runs after him, pausing to knock out a panicked guard wrapped in barbed-wire beforehand (this is the first time I've seen Charles' active altruism in action when it's not personal; interesting) and show off insta!lingualism which Charles speaking Russian is so hot I can't even stand it. Once inside, we find Russian Guy eagerly enjoying the favors of Emma's mental projection of herself while she waits, bored, for I guess this particular interruption.

Recognizing Charles as the telepath she'd sensed before Erik's Great Anchor Adventure, she turns to diamond (very cool) which means he can't read her but doesn't mean Erik can't tie her up with metal and start to choke her with it; even diamond can't stand up to Erik's rage, apparently. When she changes back, looking slightly less bored, Charles proves he is the badass telepath whom all other telepaths fear as he opens up her mind and a disturbingly fifth-grade-esque map appears to carefully explain--with tiny toy ships exactly what Sebastian is planning. This would be World War III: The Mutants Take the World.

Charles does not find this groovy at all.

Meanwhile at the ranch--or the CIA--people abruptly vanish to fall out of the sky. This is probably one of the more unsettling things I've ever watched, I'll be honest; that was terrifying. As Azazel creates a rain of men, not so much hallelujah, Sebastian and Riptide (tornados at command) engage in mass murder to find the mutants and Shaw make an even less convincing recruiting speech than Charles (which is saying something). Angel, former stripper with butterfly wings turned CIAesque operative, is up for it; Darwin fakes it long enough for Havok to try and destroy everything and is killed by Sebastian in again, one of the creepier ways I've seen (it's not easy to describe and not impressive either when written; watching it is pretty horrifying).

When Charles and Erik get back, they have no research facility and a team down two players; Charles, of course, wants to call the whole thing off. Erik, for whom there is no stop, ever, disagrees. Raven backs them up, citing Darwin's death, but like I said, Charles is not one to need recruitment speeches and was there with Erik's first disagreeing frown.

Training then commences at Charles' house, the future home for Xavier's School for Gifted Children. Its' kind of horrifying (best. Thing. Ever). Methodology is somewhere between "Be inspiring" and "Push them from windows and tops of satellites" and "Give curt speeches about loving yourself" and "Go get 'em, tiger, as soon as I get the fuck out of the room", while Erik hopefully gives Charles a gun to shoot him with and Charles looks at Erik like Erik just told him he really only likes girls after all. But! Better idea!

Move the satellite

(The satellite is the size of a high rise. It's fucking huge. It's like, the satellite that other satellites talk about crushing them in their sleep and makes them feel inadequate. It's huge, okay? Fucking huge.)

Erik looks at Charles like Charles just stated a preference for anyone in the world but him, but tries anyway, because convincing Charles is not, but adorable he is. Charles thinks anger isn't enough to lift submarines or move gigantic satellites; what we need is the perfect place between rage and serenity! And he knows how to do that!

(People trying to shove their hands down my jeans have been less subtle than this.)

Charles makes a vague "I want to be inside you" gesture like Erik's expression isn't already "Yes, please" and Charles pulls up one of Erik's oldest, sweetest memories of his family; coming out of it (reluctantly), Charles and Erik wipe tears away while Erik casually moves the satellite and looks at Charles with an obvious "yeah, it was good for me."

Eventually, Banshee learns to fly, Havok is equipped with a thing that controls his powers so he can use them and not kill everyone, Mystique attempts seduction of Erik in several forms, but he's only interested when she's blue, and Hank comes up with a way for he and Mystique to control their physical mutations but not hurt their powers. Mystique isn't too sure about using it; Hank says she's only beautiful when she's shifted into a more human looking guise and wanders off to shoot up like the idiot he is.

This also does not end well.

Coming back the next morning, they get hilarious uniforms and wait for Hank in the hangar where a completely unexpected plane is waiting for them. Hank eventually shows up and in a shocking turn of events that couldn't possibly have been predicted by any theme in this movie, has turned blue and furry and I feel weird saying this, but really hot because I was trained by Wolverine to find growling bullet-proof. He's also goddamn badass; Mystique is delighted (genuinely, not scheudenfreudly, but radiating the same generalized "mutations are awesome!" thing that Charles does so well), while Erik mentions he looks great, which leads to Hank snapping out a hand to strangle him (I hate myself; this is really hot) and growl about not caring for people making fun of him. Havok, who up until now has found Hank boring and kind of lacks filters or the ability to fake anything, says he looks badass with such sincerity I immediately love him more than anyone ever. So, I think, does Hank. Hank could do worse; Alex is very pretty.

Hank states he is flying, and on question, looks annoyed; of course he can fly it. He built it. (And designed a serum that makes your mutation happen faster. Hmm. Cerebro now makes me even more nervous).

Our heroes are tossed into the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis, as it was actually caused by Sebastian (this makes a creepy amount of sense if you think about it) and the world is on the cusp of war. After Banshee locates Sebastian via yelling into the water (this is also pretty cool), Erik and Charles mindmeld in a breathtaking display of utter yes please more for Erik to grab the submarine and throw it onto the conveniently placed island. Grumpy, Sebastian goes to suck up power from his private nuclear reactor (yeah. I know) while wearing an eerily familiar helmet that blocks telepathy. Charles sends Erik, Havok, and Banshee to get to Sebastian while Mystique stays with him and Moira and Charles goes into Deep Mental Communion with Erik.

Erik finally gets to Sebastian's Special Nuclear Room and Charles gets cut off; Sebastian doesn't really get Erik's silly vendetta--they believe the same things. You are me! Which Erik of course has never denied; it's not about starting Mutant Supremacy at all; it's about killing Erik's mother. During the fight the room's walls crack, which means Charles stops going into withdrawal in the plane and abruptly, a single metal filament grabs onto Sebastian's helmet and jerks it off, leaving him vulnerable. He has a moment of horrified awareness before Charles freezes him in place, saying a little desperately that he can't hold him very long.

And Erik murmurs an apology and then puts on the helmet.

*****

This is what happens.

In the ship, Erik takes out the coin that he couldn't move when his mother died. Flipping it into the air, he counts to three before it slowly, slowly penetrates Sebastian's head. In the plane, Charles begins to scream as Erik kills him, unable to let Sebastian go since that means Erik will die and therefore experiences execution in Sebastian's skin. As the coin exits, Sebastian and Charles both collapse, Sebastian's dead and Charles isn't, but I’m not sure Charles could tell the difference.

Erik breaks through the submarine walls to float Sebastian in Symbolism: Crucifixion style while preaching mutant supremacy. If Erik's timing is rather bad, it does get worse. The Russians and the Americans unite in terror in the face of all that mutant power and turn on them, sending a volley of missiles that Erik stops and starts to turn back on the ships.

Charles, still reeling from This Is Not My Afterlife After All (though it will be his hell, very soon), tries to stop him, desperate, as Moira emerges from the plane to begin shooting at Erik to stop the missiles. Instead of just jerking the gun from her hand, Erik, desperate to show off his imperviousness to bullets, deflects them and one goes straight into Charles' spine.

Charles' scream distracts him from mass murder and Moira; catching Charles in his arm, Erik removes the bullet and tries to kill Moira. Charles distracts him by telling him it's not Moira's fault, it's Erik's.

Erik lets him go.

Eventually, Erik calls for recruits and Raven, after unconvincingly stating she'll stay with Charles, joins him when Charles sends her away. Havok, Beast, and Banshee stay with Moira to help Charles, we hear Charles say he can't feel his legs; next thing, Charles is mindfucking Moira and going into hiding, and the movie comes to an end.

And here is where I get irritable with the writers for fucking up the ending as it made no sense in terms of everything.

There was no reason for Erik and Raven to leave Charles on that beach, not practically, not philosophically; there was every reason to stay. Erik's philosophy and Charles's are at odds, but not yet irreparably. Raven's relationship with Charles wasn't nearly strained to the point of abandoning him to die. There was no fucking reason in movie logic for this to happen. They split philosophically is not a problem; they mortal enemy because Charles, recently tortured and newly paralyzed, is a bit cranky and not interested in Philosophical Life Lessons is stupid.

Approaching it metatextually, it doesn't work; they aren't enemies yet. And the movie did a fantastic job of getting across that Erik's world view wasn't unreasonable and that Charles was a little too idealistic. What made Erik's worldview fucked up was a.) sacrificing Charles' sanity for revenge (Charles stated he couldn't hold Shaw very long, so Erik putting on the helmet to block Charles ability to possibly manipulate him doesn't make sense; blocking it so as to avoid listening to Charles screaming out what he was doing to Shaw? Likely. Especially since Charles couldn't get away from it without letting Shaw go and signing Erik's death warrant), b.) leaving (sacrificing) Charles for a philosophical point by abandoning him newly shot on the beach after being the one who caused him to be shot.

The thing is, Erik's' view of the world isn't entirely wrong; while Shaw was the one that tortured his mother specifically, humans in the form of Nazi's set the ball in motion; the worst things ever to happen to Erik Lensherr happened due to humans. Shaw just took advantage of human frailty and the horror of the apocalypse. He was tortured by Shaw, but because humans put him in that position, made him vulnerable to it, caused the death of his parents. Even if Shaw hadn't come into the picture, Erik's' family would have died, and likely Erik with them. Shaw, in a fucked up way, saved his life.

The thing is, Charles' view of the world wasn't entirely right, but suffered a dramatic and horrific change. Charles didn't trust humans and saw mutants as the natural evolution that would eventually (from how his thesis was framed) lead to human extinction. While showing a completely understandable pacifistic streak, Charles is ruthless when it comes to the safety of mutants under his care; he has no problem mind-whamming when necessary, and has a laudable lack of stupid scruples that are guaranteed to get him or someone else killed. Philosophically, Charles and Erik were divided only in terms of casualties; Charles would rather do it without a bloodbath, while Erik wasn't particularly picky. They were the better men, and Charles believed it, until Erik proved him wrong; they weren't.

The worst things that ever happened to Charles Xavier happened due to mutants, happened due to his best friend, his ally, happened to him by the direct hand of someone who claimed mutants were better than humans and then proved in all ways that the difference between mutants and humans was only in power; when Erik had power, he used it no differently, and while those men following orders was no excuse for their actions in trying to kill the mutants on that beach, Erik's life was no excuse for fucking over his friend for the sake of revenge, or abandoning him to die on the beach because Charles wasn't ready to lie.

And I am far more pissed with the movie for fucking up Erik's character, because the missiles made sense, but requiring a philosophical point he just proved false--mutants are not better--to be upheld by someone who just got a bullet in his back because Erik couldn't just get the fucking gun out of her hands instead of showing his god among menness--that makes no sense.

So I have a theory. It is not a good theory, but it at least works with Raven's characterization--seriously, writers, you fucked this one up--and with Erik's.

A.) They had no idea of the extent of the damage, as Charles was still both articulate and a telepath. Erik was still pissed at Charles for totally failing to see his point (it being a shitty point given at the worst time possible), and when Charles said he knew she wanted to go with Erik, he gave her a mental push to do so.
B.) Charles waited deliberately until everyone was gone but his allies to admit that he couldn't feel his legs.
C.) Erik will never be able to completely extinguish Charles' accusation as false, and can't forgive Charles for making it. That guilt combined with his own certainty means he has to prove Charles wrong; if Charles is wrong about mutant supremacy obviously he is wrong about Erik's responsibility for the accident--and it is an accident--and proving Charles wrong on the first leads directly to being absolved of responsibility for the second.
D.) Raven, once she realizes what Charles did, won't forgive herself for leaving and won't forgive Charles for making her do so when he actually did need her help. That he'll never admit what he did will never sit right. And they have forty years to let that shit simmer.

The bigger problem throughout the movie was that they really wanted to archnemesis tragedy it while also making everyone sympathetic; the more logical road is divide on philosophy with everyone still friends and then let the next movie bring more of the rancor.

Erik sacrificed his best friend for a philosophical ideal; he can't back down from that. So he has to prove himself right, because otherwise, he'd have to ask an uncomfortable question that Charles will always struggle with and will one day end up with Magneto strapping a seventeen year old girl into a device that will kill her and an entire city; the difference in philosophy that asks if there's a practical difference between murder and sacrifice when the life that hangs in the balance doesn't have the option to make a choice.

It started on a submarine, where Erik Lensherr looked into the eyes of his best friend who said, I don't want to be a murderer, and tells him with a helmet, Too bad. I'm going to make you one.



...so that was longer than expected.

[identity profile] lilith20godrich.livejournal.com 2011-06-14 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
He didn't live through bullet in the head eaither. In my understanding, the nature of his gift let's him experience feelings of another person completely, so really, I don't think he was lying or being disrespectful after he said it. Of course he didn't feel everything Erik felt, but he genuinely lived through some of his emotions.

[identity profile] lilith20godrich.livejournal.com 2011-06-14 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
He says it in the movie - he really doesn't know what she is thinking about, so he didn't know what she was feeling. And I really don't understand idea of him caring about her only because she is a mutant. It's kind of a big stretch between not understanding person - which is possible, it happens between people who are close and love each other - and seeing other person as some subject, i.e. example of grrovy mutation.
I don't see anything nasty between them. Stupid, unfortunate, devastating, but not intentionally nasty.

[identity profile] lolafeist.livejournal.com 2011-06-14 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a fantastic read. My biggest issue with the film (characterization-wise, not other types of fail-wise) was the beach scene as well. I like your theories. I keep tossing around ideas that Erik drops his peeps off somewhere with Azazel and heads back to poof Charles and co. to a fucking hospital or something. Unless Charles was manipulating Raven, it's very hard for me to understand how she could walk away from her brother who is grunting/crying/bleeding in the sand with no conceivable way to get help. Sigh.

Charles speaking in Russian was SO. VERY. HOT. I loved your insights into his character and I agree with them. It's especially cool to read your notions on his telepathy as a sense.

I want a million fics about him over-exerting himself with Cerebro and Erik being like man, you are so reckless. And adorable. But reckless. But really adorable.

This was as entertaining to read as a fic. Thank you for sharing.

[identity profile] fanaddict.livejournal.com 2011-06-14 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I saw your other post on this topic earlier and having been mulling it over. I haven't had a chance to read any of the responses to it, so I hope I won't be offending you further when I explain what I meant.

First - I apologize if my comment made you uncomfortable, that certainly wasn't my intent. I'm sorry.

I think perhaps I expressed myself poorly? I certainly don't feel that Charles's paralysis is in any way deserving as a punishment. Nor do I believe he needed to be paralyzed as a learning experience.

Here's where we may diverge in opinion, however. I think that since the writers chose to paralyze him earlier than movie canon had previous shown, in a reboot where he's emphatically not the Prof X we assume he will become, but rather someone who even the movie throws a few asides at suggesting they intend him to be seen as coming from a privileged position - then I think the paralysis may be seen by some viewers/me as a huge change to his life of privilege. And that through this huge change he may become more empathic to mutants like Raven who never had a chance to fit in to society, much less at the upper tier Charles always has.

So, I mean, I guess we do differ in the sense that I think Charles may become more empathic after this accident thus making it a learning experience - but I don't intent to imply he deserves it, simply that it could be an important part of the path that leads him to become the Prof X most are familiar with.

I don't want to make it sound like, I don't know, the rich white guy got paralyzed and magically becomes understanding, like Hollywood suggests at times. I do think that any sudden disability, etc can change our understanding of life just as all other life experiences do, but it's not some magic bullet of understanding. It can be an important start of a new life journey though.

Again, I'm sorry if I made you uncomfortable and I hope I explained what I meant better, although I fear it still may not be an area where we agree - but maybe it's less discomforting? I feel bad if I've made you uncomfortable in your on LJ. :(

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
I think we need to agree to disagree. While I understand what you describe appears to be a complicated and interesting exploration of disability, the approach being outlined here is still a 'learning experience for a privileged character to show them "Other"' which makes me, as someone with mental illness, hideously uncomfortable.

I'm aware this is personalization, but when I imagine a fic about how a non-mentally-ill character is struck with depression and 'learns and grows' from it like with a compare/contrast to pre-mental illness life and what they've 'lost'--that hits my embarrassment squick and my 'my illness is not fodder for a character to be a better person' because disability does not make you a better or worse person and depression has done little for my character. I'm sure it can be done with skill; I am not sure it can be anything but offensive, the difference being in degrees.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks very much!

[identity profile] ascetic-hedony.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 06:01 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, looking at this and comment below, I see phrased that badly. I hope I can do better this time?
From memory, psych research talks about the first 5-6 years being those that matter when forming family attachments, generally the ones that make sexual interest between siblings not occur. Since Charles and Raven met later, I feel like there's a possibility - certainly Raven seems to feel something for Charles. My personal take on this is that they're more like childhood friends than brother and sister. However, I think that Charles encourages Raven to see him as a brother, rather than a love interest. I'm struggling to remember a time in the movie that Raven requests support or affection and Charles provides it. The closest I can get is the thesis reading scene, where Charles seems reluctant. From the moment he meets Erik, he pretty much seems to ignore Raven. What I find hard to believe is that Charles never had an inkling about Raven's feelings. I get caught up in ideas of telepahy, where surface thoughts are a constant background noise that Charles has to work at to ignore, and that picking up information from this scan is somehow less problematic than specifically mind scanning someone.
The power dynamic I meant was set up by the script, rather than by Charles as a character. Raven is constantly seeking approval/acknowledgement/affection from the male characters. Charles, Hank and Erik. I'm... uncomfortable how the female characters are shown. Emma's costumes, Angel's occupation, Moira's "undercover" scene, and Raven jumping into Erik's bed.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 06:37 am (UTC)(link)
There's nothing about the female characters that doesn't piss me off. I am glad they gave Raven so much development and backstory and both her and Moira independent agency, but--God, the fail otherwise was fairly faily. Emma period pissed me off; she barely existed excpet as a plot device.

...I could go on but then I just get enraged all over again. Argh.

I agree with the psychology, but there's also the power dynamic that, I'm pretty sure was by pure accident, the movie didn't abuse in this case.

I get caught up in ideas of telepahy, where surface thoughts are a constant background noise that Charles has to work at to ignore, and that picking up information from this scan is somehow less problematic than specifically mind scanning someone.

I don't disagree, but if he agreed early on never to read her mind, and that started from an early age, adn they were together constantly, he'd by now have the habit of blocking her out. Unlike with Erik and pretty much everyone else, who he seems to often figure out, he seems literally in the dark about anything with her until she verbalizes it. At leat to me, his behavior with Hank kind of supports that; while he and Raven are having similar issues, he reacts to Hank completely differently than Raven until she vocalizes to him, whereas the movie shows him casually reading Hank.

Again my own interpretation; the scene between them in the kitchen later is so much his reaction to her until-now verbal misgivings about her natural form and genuine surprise that she'd had a revelation seemed to imply he literally wasn't ever reading her, even surfacewise.

[identity profile] rubynye.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
This is an excellent summary and analysis. *tucks into my files*

[identity profile] wynddancer.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, Charles did live through the bullet in the head. He had to control Shaw while Eric killed him or Shaw would've killed Eric. So, Charles felt all of Shaw's agony (yeah, right*) and his death in that scene from start to finish.

However, all Charles did was access a few memories of Erik's concerning his life and time in the Holocaust. I'm sure he experienced he felt Erik's despair and anger in those memories, maybe even as if he had lived those memories himself but Charles didn't live out those memories or have Erik's life, which was heavily influenced by those experiences. It's like the difference between reading a book and living out those events in a book in real life. I can read a book and put it away when I'm done (Charles) but those living out the events can never just put away the impact those events had on their lives (Erik).

*Let's not face the fact there wouldn't have actually been agony as the brain matter itself doesn't feel pain. Shaw would've felt pain from the scalp cut and possibly from the severing blood vessels (like a headache maybe if he felt that pain--there's news stories of people being stabbed in the head/shot and not realizing it since it didn't hurt). I'm not even sure the quarter through the brain would've killed him since it didn't go through the brain stem, which is at the top of the spinal cord and which controls your breathing and heart rate. Yes, that kind of annoyed me in the movie while I was watching the movie.


[identity profile] wynddancer.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Why wouldn't a telepath be completely useless at reading people when he's not using his powers? If someone's a telepath and can read people's minds/emotion (honestly, reading emotions is being an empath and Charles is a telepath), when the crutch of their telepathy is removed, I'd expect them to be rubbish at reading people via their body language. I would think a telepath wouldn't ever really have to develop the ability to determine whether if someone is lying, honest, etc. by their body language since they can read that person's mind and know the truth of the matter w/o even looking at that person. It's when they no longer have the use of their telepathy that they get into trouble with not having developed body language reading skills. And, that, I think is the source of the trouble with Raven--Charles made that promise and doesn't know how to read people or Raven without using his telepathy which lead to monumental screw ups in dealing with Raven.

I also got the impression (may not be true) that Charles was/is isolated with mainly Raven for a friend. Not having a lot friends/being socially isolated = poor social skills and poor body language skills also (true of me IRL, anyway).

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, this. *blank* I didn't think of the body language aspect, and I'm absolutely horrific at reading it accurately.

[identity profile] glitterdemon.livejournal.com 2011-06-15 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like the difference between reading a book and living out those events in a book in real life.

that is an excellent analogy.

[identity profile] pororoca.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
This was a delightfully insightful read, and I find myself quite agreeing with you on a number of things, except for the part about Charles deliberately waiting to mention he couldn't feel his legs until Erik and Raven, et al. had left- medically speaking it isn't at all unnatural for Charles to not have immediately realized he was paralyzed, especially given the location of his injury (the lower back- if the bullet had hit his cervical vertebrae or even possibly his upper thoracic vertebrae, the damage to the spinal cord could have affected nerves which control breathing muscles which would have left Charlie really screwed).

The tricky thing about spinal cord injuries is how often people don't quite realize the extent of damage (or even the existence OF damage) to the spine after a sudden, traumatic injury. I remember reading about a case once, where an individual had been in a major car accident and sustained catastrophic injury to the cervical vertebrae (the neck) but hadn't realized anything was wrong until they got out of their car and started walking away. Swelling around the injury site (and in most cases, the fact that the injured person would be riding high on adrenaline) frequently muddies knowledge of the extent of the injury, for both the injured party as well as medical providers until treatment (surgical) is started.

Hollywood also doesn't help the matter with the sheer amount of hand-waving they do with medicine, not to mention utilizing any sort of accuracy in the handling of injuries characters receive. One of the things that happened that almost completely ruined the shooting scene for me was the fact that Erik took the bullet out and I just started mentally chanting 'NO! NO! Dude no, don't do that I know you need a new souvenir of ANGST to carry around in your pocket now that the coin is gone but don't you know that by removing the bullet you're just going to cause Charles to hemorrhage faster?' [note: I really think he didn't know, but oh man how irritated was I when 1) that happened, and 2) there was no blood on the bullet or Charles suit? Soooooo irritated. SCREW YOU MOVIE CENSORS *shakes fists*] Also, getting a little off track, but the second thing that bothered me during that scene was the way they plotted out the action scene of Charles being shot. Seriously my first impulse was to start laughing because I thought he'd been shot in the ass. There are numerous ways Charles could have been shot that would have looked less ridiculous. Come on guys.

Anyway. Cool post! Always love some good meta :)d

[identity profile] starbrow.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
As a bisexual person, I'm finding your comparison of Charles' Rich White Privilege to bisexuality disturbing. In real life, bisexuals actually generally have worse mental and physical health than gay or straight people do. For us, it isn't actually easier to pass, as you suggest, than it would be for a gay person, and suggesting that we don't give it a lot of thought is really painfully offensive.

Some bisexuals make the choice to be completely open about themselves despite all the prejudice they face from straight AND gay people. Some choose not to be, and struggle with their feelings for the rest of their lives. It's a choice between a rock and a hard place, and it is never easy.

I know the X-Men canon likes to play around with comparisons to LGBT people, but in this case, you doing it in this way isn't appropriate and reflects a view of bisexuality that is completely untrue to life. I fight so hard all the time against prejudice toward bisexual people, and I've seen that many gay and straight people (monosexuals) tend to be quite happy to defend the LGBT community, "except for those nasty bisexuals".

You think we have it easy and can just pass for straight without even thinking about it? Try being the person who is told that if you have an opposite sex partner, you'll cheat on them with someone of the same sex, and if you're with someone of the same sex, that you'll always leave them for an opposite sex partner because you want marriage and kids. Try having your identity erased whenever you're in a relationship - sometimes you're called straight, and sometimes gay, but you're only bi because you "can't make up your mind". Try getting the constant message that being bi is being indecisive, is being slutty and desperate, is being up for anything and anyone at any time. Try getting no support from so-called 'LGBT' organisations who hardly acknowledge your existence, and who expect you to be grateful for every crumb of support they give you (and the worst of it is that you are). Try coming out to your doctor, if you want constant lectures on sexual health.

Easy? Really? I think not.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 06:43 am (UTC)(link)
Excellent meta. *picks teeth, thinks about having seconds, or at least a reread*

I want to read (or write) the fic where Erik reads Charles' dissertation, shuts the last page, heaves a sigh, and stares blankly into space. Speechless.

Finally: "You just told all of humanity that they're screwed." He ran his hand over his face, still glassy-eyed.

Charles settled on the couch next to him, arms loosely wrapped around his legs, chin on his knee. "You like it? I got top marks."

"It's a declaration of war."

"No, it isn't." Charles took the spiral bound book from where it hung loosely in Erik's hand. "It's science."

"If they find out who -- and what -- you are, and then read this, they will know you're not on their side," Erik explained.

"The science isn't on their side. There's a difference."

Erik laughed. "And how do you think they'll react?"

"I didn't say it'll happen overnight," Charles said. "Historically it takes generations for full replacement, which alone implies a lack of violence. Look, page 297--there's no sudden disappearance."

...

Pages of Charles and Erik debating their views, with excerpts from Charles' dissertation.

A frustrated Erik quoting history until he runs out of examples ("the holocaust is an abomination but is also an aberration..." says Charles). So he hits Charles' library and then Oxford for more (ammo) info. This expands Erik's admittedly disrupted education (even without the Nazis, college in his era was reserved for the privileged).

At first Charles is delighted to have a pupil. Erik is discomfited, and finds he can't beat Charles on science, not without taking a degree himself. He switches tacks and, brilliant, outstrips Charles on his weak areas -- history and literature. Erik knows the English revere the bard as All Knowing About Human Nature, and eviscerates Charles' logic with quotes from Henry V. "Science is rational," Erik said. "Human beings are not. [insert quote]" He snapped the book shut.

Charles tipped his head back on the arm of the couch. "Ugh, which play was that? We were supposed to memorise it when I was an upperclassman."

Erik waved the book at him. "Your education has holes."

"What?" Charles snickered, sitting up. "Look who's talking!"

"Education isn't what one has studied but what one understands," Erik insists.

"What you don't understand is that evolution is a natural process. Gradual, like the wearing away of granite. Mathematically, how many mutants are there? What percentage of the population?" Charles asked.

"We don't know," Erik said.

"Let's find out." Charles bounced to his feet. "Let's check Cerebro."

"It's two am," Erik said, nonplussed.

"I do my best work in the middle of the night."

Erik coughed.

"That was not intended as a double entendre."

"Yours never are." Erik smirked. "Can you really find every mutant in the world with that thing? All of them." He frowned.

"No, but I can get a decent sample size and extrapolate--er, with the assumption that mutants are evenly distributed, which is probably incorrect. Still, I can't believe I didn't think of this before." He struggled into his coat.

...

Anyhow, their intellectual debate becomes a Thing in and of itself. They forget why they're debating, and forget that they don't even disagree much -- they just have to win.

...so that was longer than expected.

[identity profile] glitterdemon.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
um, I would read the shit out of this story. /yearns

[identity profile] fanaddict.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I apologize, clearly my analogy wasn't well-thought out.

[identity profile] imahurricane.livejournal.com 2011-06-16 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I thought he would adapt but then, boom! he goes. So sad. I like Darwin.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
I want it, too.

Ok. In small bites because I have too many RL projects to do big ones.

~*~*~

The storm cloud presence filled Charles' mind ... anger, frustration, fury. At it first blended into a dream about Mystique and a dinner they'd once attended -- the wine glasses shattered, and then the dream-ground shook and snapped him awake. Charles sat up.

The rest of the school was wakened by the helicopter landing in their backyard.

The full moon illumined the windows in clear blue white. Squares of yellow appeared on the lawn as one light after another blinked on.

Charles grabbed his robe from the bedpost, dug his fists into the arms and wrapped it around himself, tying the belt. He tried to do as much for himself as possible, and still held out hope that through some miracle he might walk again. The school had more pragmatically hired him a nurse, Jessica, a wonderful mutant whose gift of empathy complimented his own talents. Her position incidentally gave him the opportunity to shield her ... sensitivities ... until she learned to protect herself. They'd found her in a mental institution, but she was coming along nicely.

Unfortunately, she was not a professional nurse and had left his wheelchair a little too far for him to reach. He pinwheeled his arm for it, then snapped a mental command in her mind--probably shouting.

Charles shut his eyes, wishing briefly (and not for the first time) for Erik's powers. He wanted to run down the stairs, meet Erik there, but he had to wait.

In the yard, reflected through the eyes of several students, the multi-layered image came to him as if looking through an insect's eyes. Erik had turned toward the chopper, and then, his hair blowing in the breeze, slowly clutched his fist closed, teeth gritted. The aircraft balled up like a tin can. Erik threw it away, crushing a rose bush.

Charles rolled his eyes. Now that was just wasteful. Erik had grown exponentially more powerful and, as an unexpected consequence of that power, more petty.

No matter. It bought Charles time. Jessie had arrived, her eyes bloodshot and annoyed (he had shouted), and they were arranging him in his wheelchair, with Charles muttering complaints and getting in her way.

They managed to be downstairs by the time Erik stalked to the door and flung it open. Erik didn't, apparently, feel the need to knock any more. He looked straight ahead and then down at Charles, his pupils widening, surprised to see the wheelchair. The anger went out of Erik in a rush. Charles realized his friend had never actually seen him in the chair, even though he'd heard about it.

Then, oh joy, Charles got to see the scene on the beach play out again, this time from a brand new angle, Erik turning to find him writhing on the ground. He was so sick seeing that image, like a rerun of a rerun.



[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 04:08 am (UTC)(link)

So Charles changed the subject. The reason Erik had come was quite clear, and he obviously wanted Charles to know everything else he would have worn the helmet.

"You can't just tell them what to do," Charles said. He heaved a sigh, resting his cheek on his palm. "You have to teach them first. Until recently you have always worked alone."

A metal pronged coat rack flew and embedded itself in the wall.

"Fine." Charles blinked. "It can wait."

He touched Jessie's hand, which trembled, and reinforced his shields on her mind, badly shaken by Erik's temper. A dozen young mutants in pajamas had gathered in the hall and along the upper railing, to stare at Erik. They'd heard of the "evil" Magneto. Hank and Alex had already appeared, fists clenched, ready to play bodyguard.

"Why don't you do the honors?" Charles told Erik, waving Jessie off. She let go. "To the kitchen, I think. I'm sure you remember where it is. I believe milk and cookies are in order. And the rest of you--" He turned to slaw-jawed children and grinned devilishly. "--all of you still have exams tomorrow." He reinforced this with a mental push, that reminded them they were all tired. The sudden sleepiness did much to mellow the tensions. Even Hank yawned, giving a low purring growl.

Erik, taking his cue, held up his palm. After a rough a first jolt, managed to smoothly roll Charles toward the kitchen.

"Well, some things never change," Charles said, brightly, hands clasped in his lap. He was all too conscious of his bare, withered legs revealed by the gap in his robe. They paused at the kitchen door, which clunked further shut until, with a frown, Erik figured out they opened the other way. "You certainly haven't lost your flair for a dramatic entrance."

The only true surprise was that Raven had led the mutiny against Erik's autocratic command.



[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
(and bows to Seperis for allowing me to hijack her journal in this way)

(confesses that I was deliberately releasing bunnies in her backyard -- I'll round them up)

(before they eat all the rosebushes)

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
*sits on hands, twitches*

Okay, I've held off for four days. I've answered your meta with fic here (http://icarusancalion.livejournal.com/1070157.html).

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I AM READING IT NOW HOLY SHIT YES.

[identity profile] ty-real.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a very insightful and well constructed review, and I love your writing style - very smooth and flowing.

I'm not sure, however, that I necessarily agree with many of the problems you find. It's not that Xavier and Erik have the same goals and ideas: Erik's dream iss of a world of mutants and Xavier's is a world of both humans and mutants integrated. At the start he writes of how the human kind will be replaced by mutants, but that is not to say that he means to witness such a thing, nor that he has any fondness for the idea. It's a point that will later appear: X loves mutants in a very intellectual, academic way. He's rather more inclined to ideals than action.

Whilst there is a decent argument behind suggesting that the split need not have happened at the end of the film, the question of what to do with the enemy could not have been reconciled without a split. Shaw not dying was never an option, as no hint of redemption was ever portrayed in this character. Xavier's idealistic solution would be imprisonment and attempts at redemption; Erik wanted to kill his mother's murderer.

Erik was always going to want to kill Shaw and Xavier was never going to tolerate outright murder. Once Erik killed Shaw, it was not just that he was abandoning Xavier - he was at a point where Xavier would not have been able to accept his help. A line in the sand had been drawn, in terms of both themes and characterisation, and a split was the only way that scene could have went after Erik's choice.

Mystique certainly deserved a better resolution here though, especially considering how well done her character was.

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