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seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2011-11-15 01:29 pm
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i bet something here is not like the other

Okay, if you watch Big Bang Theory--is it wrong to still hate Leonard? I have a bad feeling that Leonard's biggest problem is that I want to set him on fire (metaphorically). I can't even figure out why, except it's like, he almsot embodies Nice Guy, in a geek variation, and--well, fire.

Kindle is not delivered yet, so I am kind of hyperexamining my life and my media choices.

[identity profile] anoel.livejournal.com 2011-11-15 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)

I still hate him. Less than before but maybe I'm used to it now. So glad he's not with Penny as last week's episode proved.

[identity profile] jujuberry136.livejournal.com 2011-11-15 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It is totally fine to want Leonard to DIAF and let the rest of them get their geek on with out having a so-called "nice guy" and "the normal one" bugging them about doing things they love.

[identity profile] chrissie-m.livejournal.com 2011-11-15 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I still enjoy watching the show, but sometimes it's more difficult than others, such as when Leonard is being the Nice Guy or when Amy is set up to be laughed at: sometimes the writers let her be an actual Sheldon, comfortable in her apartness, and then they turn it around and make her uncomfortable, unhappy and wanting to be on the inside with the cool kids. I hate when they do that because I feel invited to laugh at her, and it feels like I'm being asked to laugh at myself.

Plus this year the scripts have been hit and miss. I hated Sheldon's sudden bird phobia, for instance, and the way his mother is suddenly uber-hick.

[identity profile] oaktree89.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Leonard kind of is a Nice Guy. But he's also a nice guy. It's tough. (I'd totally hit that if he existed in real life, if I'm honest. So I might be slightly biased.)
Edited 2011-11-16 00:22 (UTC)

[identity profile] innocentsmith.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
The episode where he was explicitly trying to find a way to cheat on his girlfriend and still be a "nice guy" - and going to Penny as his ex-girlfriend to ask for advice on how to do that - had me pretty much slack-jawed in horror. I just. It's bad enough when a character is subtextually pulling that shit, but he came right out and said it!

TBH, I don't so much want to set him on fire myself as to watch Penny do so. And then maybe that girl he wanted to cheat with can join the main cast, and Penny can get a last name and be allowed to make career progress, and she and Sheldon and Amy can have a nice lesbian/asexual poly relationship full of bickering and hijinks. Is that so much to ask for?

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
she and Sheldon and Amy can have a nice lesbian/asexual poly relationship full of bickering and hijinks. Is that so much to ask for?

I WOULD PAY FOR THIS SHOW.

[identity profile] burntcopper.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, watching penny do it would be so much more awesome. And then Sheldon would get his stuff. No real bad here.

[identity profile] ladyclio16.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
I think among them all Leonard is my least favorite. I even like Howard better and he can be a sexually harassing jerk much of the time.

[identity profile] burntcopper.livejournal.com 2011-11-16 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't watched it for a season or so, but ...oh wow. They made him blatant Nice Guy? DIEDIEDIE. Previously he had Nice Guy tendencies. Now must stab.

[identity profile] spaceanjl.livejournal.com 2011-12-06 09:35 am (UTC)(link)
To nobody's surprise, I imagine, I think Leonard is a pathetic, whiny little object with mommy issues, who swings between a 'please validate me' self-abasement and a smug dick-driven douchery that makes me want to kick him. (Props to Johnny Galecki, incidentally, but the actual character is an asshat of the first magnitude.)

The writers were obviously trying for everyman underdog hero, but their conception of what actually makes a decent human being seems to be flawed. Because ethics is a place in England, when the prospect of sex arises.

Someone somewhere made the point that he doesn't have to express his Nice Guy entitlement, because the show does it for him, and I think that sums it up. The main drive of the show runs on a thoroughly unpleasant blend of misogyny and bullying - it is considered perfectly acceptable for Leonard to loathe his geekery and seek to escape it by banging a 'hot girl', (any one will do) and for him to trample anyone else in his rush to do so. He is to be rewarded for this conformity, and it is righteous that the geeks are mocked and derided. *ptttht*

(I failed to make it to the finale of S3, due to rage.)

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