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seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2012-09-26 11:18 pm
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banned books: really?

Banned Books Week: Banned Books That Shaped America which lists off some banned books and where and sometimes why they were banned. I'd like to thank Texas for the following, because God knows, this makes us seem sane:


Moby-Dick; or The Whale, Herman Melville,1851

In a real head-scratcher of a case, a Texas school district banned the book from its Advanced English class lists because it “conflicted with their community values” in 1996. Community values are frequently cited in discussions over challenged books by those who wish to censor them.


...yeah, I got nothing.

(Note: If by community values they meant "our community does not value this level of epic boredom at this length", okay, maybe I can see it. I have a feeling that is not the case.)


Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert A. Heinlein, 1961

The book was actually retained after a 2003 challenge in Mercedes, TX to the book’s adult themes. However, parents were subsequently given more control over what their child was assigned to read in class, a common school board response to a challenge.


I'm trying here, so hard. I'm failing. I--what?

Not Texas (I hope, please), but huh?


Where the Wild Things Are, Maurice Sendak, 1963

Sendak’s work is beloved by children in the generations since its publication and has captured the collective imagination. Many parents and librarians, however, did much hand-wringing over the dark and disturbing nature of the story. They also wrung their hands over the baby’s penis drawn in In the Night Kitchen.


...I have never seen this penis. Jesus, I need to find that book and where's waldo this like, soon.


The Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne, 1850

According to many critics, Hawthorne should have been less friendly toward his main character, Hester Prynne (in fairness, so should have minister Arthur Dimmesdale). One isn’t surprised by the moralist outrage the book caused in 1852. But when, one hundred and forty years later, the book is still being banned because it is sinful and conflicts with community values, you have to raise your eyebrows. Parents in one school district called the book “pornographic and obscene” in 1977. Clearly this was before the days of the World Wide Web.


...where the hell is the porn in here? Did I miss this chapter? What porn?

(Note: Again, boring, and also, the Adultery Baby is freaky like hell; that kid alone might justify banning just to have less hideously precocious babies wandering around. Then again, that was the most interesting part of the book, even if it was born of fear.)


The Words of Cesar Chavez, Cesar Chavez, 2002

The works of Chavez were among the many books banned in the dissolution of the Mexican-American Studies Program in Tucson, Arizona. The Tucson Unified School District disbanded the program so as to accord with a piece of legislation which outlawed Ethnic Studies classes in the state. To read more about this egregious case of censorship, click here.


More details on that here. I mean, it kind of mocks itself just reading the justification, to be honest.

For more adventures in limiting the vastness of the human experience as expressed in literature due to reasons, Banned Books Week website and ALA's Banned Books section.
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[personal profile] green_grrl 2012-09-27 05:43 am (UTC)(link)
Fuck, sorry. Arizona, making your state (any state) look good since 1814. (In defense of my city, it was a couple of fuckheads in Phoenix and a seriously right wing legislature who attacked a program that most of us in Baja Arizona were pretty damn proud of.)
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[personal profile] alexseanchai 2012-09-27 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Making it clear that sex happened offscreen = porn. Get with the program.
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[personal profile] lilacsigil 2012-09-27 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
The baby penis is right there on the page, no Where's Waldo required. That's probably the problem...
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[personal profile] ellixis 2012-09-27 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, much of the book is a dream sequence, and part of the dream sequence involves the kid dreaming it being naked. Nothing terrible involved, just nudity.
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[personal profile] parhelion 2012-09-27 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd bet the Moby Dick censors were freaking out about Ishmael sleeping -- as in snoring away -- with his soon-to-be BFF, Queequeg. Or maybe -- I'd bet I'm giving them too much credit, here -- it's because Ishmael makes ignorant jokes about Queequeq's accent (even though Queequeg is also intentionally depicted as the best person in the novel)?

The other section of Moby Dick that seems to bother such types is the harvesting of the spermaceti chapter, which always amuses me. Sure, the chapter is also a consideration of romantic male friendship, as are big chunks of the entire book. But literally? Whale spermaceti is closer to ear wax than any bodily substance censorious types usually worry about, something they could've found out by spending less than a minute with a kid's encyclopedia (I checked).

Yes, I'm a big Moby Dick fan, I admit it. Someday I'll get my Yuletide request filled.
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[personal profile] twistedchick 2012-09-27 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
They don't approve of whaling? Or Maoris? or obsessive pursuits -- no, that's the electoral season.

Porn is very much in the eyes of the beholder. With Victorian novels, it's the inference of sex. 'Tess of the D'Urbervilles' was banned as porn; when I read it, I skipped right past that bit, which was Tess falling asleep and a man going to his knee and reaching out toward her. Cut to the next chapter, where she has a child. I don't remember Hawthorne that well, but I suspect it's similar.

Stranger in a Strange Land probably got overtly slammed for free love (which is text) but it probably was covertly considered suspect for its literal interpretation of some parts of early Christianity that aren't done in the mainstream any more -- such as living communally, sharing all things in common. And, oh, yeah, the idea that women could actually be able to choose when they wanted to become pregnant. Radical, in the era before the pill. And, considering the conservative Republican assault on women's rights and contraception, it's still a radical notion to some that women are people, and are equals to men.
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Porn is very much in the eyes of the beholder. With Victorian novels, it's the inference of sex.

[personal profile] jenna_thorn 2012-09-27 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
When I was in college, the class was assigned a dramatic reading. We were to find a monologue from text form (as opposed to a radio play or movie) for dramatic effect and emotional reaction.

One young man went for horror and read the bit of Dracula with the three brides. He meant it to be terrifying, I really honestly think he did. But ... um ... class of twenty years olds and... well it was horribly embarassing, at least.

I do not remember my own choice, but I remember his reading.
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[personal profile] nagasvoice 2012-09-28 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
I still recall a fantasy panel at a convention where Jane Yolen discussed having one of her books banned because the title had the word "witch" in it, specifically, and the implication of witchcraft for a children's book was out of bounds. Similarly, I have heard some of the church ladies on transit denouncing the Harry Potter books and declaring their children are never allowed to read them because *any* fantasy book is not allowed, and the topic of witchcraft is completely forbidden.
Yeah, I know, the questions just start bubbling up like yeast, and no, I didn't ask them...

[identity profile] sistermu.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 06:03 am (UTC)(link)
Gosh. You ban a lot of books in America. If someone tries to ban a book over here it's a really big deal and there's a national argument. Actually, I can't remember the last time, maybe some other Brit will tell me. I think it's just assumed you'll talk to your children about it. Isn't that what they're meant to be doing in class anyway?

No need to Waldo the penis, it is quite obvious, it is on the naked baby. It's nothing shocking, the boy is naked and fig leaves don't fit into the story, ergo penis. It's not like it's an adult or erect penis, it's just a little boy. Are the banners trying to hide the fact that boys have penises? I think at least half the child population knows that, plus anyone who baths with their brother or has a little brother because if there's a way to stop a little boy getting it out I have yet to find it. My boy was so delighted with the easy access when he got out of nappies that he went around showing his to everyone. So maybe there are one or two girls who haven't seen one, haven't traded viewing rights in the playground, isn't it a good idea for them to learn about it young, rather than getting a horrible shock when they're older?
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[identity profile] ifeedformula.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not really even detailed, iirc. It's just sort of a lumpy looking bit hanging from between his legs.

there's a way to stop a little boy getting it out I have yet to find it
You and me both. ROFLMAO

"DUDE! Put that thing away...I don't need to see it, kthx. We only do that in the bathroom or the bedroom, remember?"
"Oh yeah. RIGHT!" *zooms off to his bedroom*

[identity profile] shinetheway.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
I remember that penis! I remember staring at it, maybe when I was about ten? Like, "this is...unusual. hmmmm."

I think it's when he's falling into the milk, possibly. Don't ask me what point this comes at, I'm just remembering "penis" and "falling into milk" is the mental imagery I'm getting.

[identity profile] sistermu.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 09:21 am (UTC)(link)
He's naked when he falls into the batter. He gets coated in batter then goes into the milk and the batter washes off so he's naked again.

I have 2 young children and it's a favourite book of theirs. I've read it a lot.

[identity profile] shinetheway.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
That's a fascinating philosophical question, if you think about it. "If you're wearing no clothes and get coated with batter, are you naked or not? And if the batter is removed, are you naked again...or still?"

Maybe the people who banned it weren't philosophy fans.

[identity profile] percysowner.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 01:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure Stranger In a Strange Land gets banned because of the cannibalism at the end. I vaguely remember people being horrified (or at least complaining) about that at various times. It could also be the main character becoming a religious figure. As the the others I have no idea. The banned books list is always fun to read.

[identity profile] lucifelfalling.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm trying here, so hard. I'm failing. I--what?"

Stranger in a strange land is just awful after about the 1/3 point - it goes from interesting sci-fi to "wait... did the Scientology guy write this?" - but I believe that there's polyamory, atheism, and cannibalism in it.
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[identity profile] janne-d.livejournal.com 2012-09-27 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Personally, I'm hoping that Stranger in a Strange Land was up for being banned because of the appalling sexism, but I suspect that isn't the case! It probably is the polyamory and cannibalism - it would be jsut typical for the cause to be the interesting bits thematically and not the skeevy underlying assumptions about women that still make me want to bite something. Gah, Heinlein. All that imagination and he couldn't imagine himself out of his own mindset.