seperis: (Adam One)
seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2009-11-29 09:27 pm

my learning curve took a decade

I had a Moment. It is not a particularly enlightening moment. I am never going to finish uploading fic to the archive. I will be doing this on my deathbed, poking keys and hating the universe.

I have also run into a problem with anything pre-Smallville; most my cowriters are not in fandom any longer, and that is a lot of fic, both at the series level and at the story level. I'm getting the impression we're not supposed to upload cowrites, which is a bitch, because some of the best work I did in those fandoms was done with Sare Liz and Bishclone. I uploaded a couple automatically, and now I'm staring at them blankly. I'm not sure what to do about this.

Also, what about a cowriter that's not speaking to you? How do you handle that, I ask? Which totally is not a problem I am having, of course, this is totes hypothetical and there might be two or perhaps three, and I'm really unsure about the etiquette of contacting them with a "Hey, so you are pissed at me and I totally take responsibility, now can I archive our cowrites in AOOO?" Or--something. Miss Manners did not cover the finer points of archive etiquette, and I have to say, I'm disappointed in her for that.

I'm enjoying uploading my bad fic a lot, in a weird way. It's comforting to realize I have gotten better. It feels like I have more authority to mock now when I can point and say "I did that. And it was bad."

Life Lessons Learned From Fandom (and Fanfic), by jenn AND HER FLIST

1.) Subject/predicate agreement is apparently a luxury, not a right, when one is going through a particularly pretentious phase.

2.) Sentence subjects are totes optional if you do it for ~art~. Goddamn I was ~artistic~.

3.) First person pov with mixed verb tenses is not confusing and weird, it's a goddamn ~style choice~ and DIAF grammarwhore.

4.) Repeating a single line over and over is okay when it's about angst. In italics, even.

5.) Always claim drunk posting if you can. It's called plausible deniability.

6.) The healing cock is real and go to hell if you don't believe me.

7.) Agricultural terms as metaphors for sex are hot like burning, bitch.



8.) THE THESAURUS IS YOUR FRIEND! - [livejournal.com profile] amireal

9.) cliches are cliches BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME. - [livejournal.com profile] winterlive

10.) It makes a story deep when grown men cry. Repeatedly. - [livejournal.com profile] cathalin

11.) I like longwinded, unfinishable projects. - [livejournal.com profile] tricksterquinn

12.) WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH EPITHETS? Why is there no love for them these days? Back In The Day, they were a staple of a good fanfic story. You just *knew* that "the curly-haired rebel" was Blake and "the curly-haired pilot" was Tarrant. The alien telepath, the Delta thief, and the computer tech would go off together and have exciting adventures. LIFE WAS GOOD FOR THE PETITE, BRUNETTE AUTHOR. - [livejournal.com profile] teenygozer

13.) Also, you should never say "penis" when there are perfectly good manroots and hardnesses and members out there, waiting to be utilized. - [livejournal.com profile] linzeestyle

14.) All facial expressions are primarily channeled through the eyes. Fuck all those facial muscles, what good are they. - [livejournal.com profile] stripedpetunia

15.) Also, why use pronouns (or *gasp* names) when you can just use epithets? (I have occasionally received concrit suggesting that names and 'he' are boring and I need more, like, 'the blond(e) captain' and 'the catlike Vulcan', just for example. I have learned to agree to disagree with these commenters.) - [livejournal.com profile] stripedpetunia

16.) Also, song lyrics. ALL THROUGHOUT THE FIC. Am I right? - [livejournal.com profile] stripedpetunia

17.) I will never stop abusing parentheses, though. My thoughts, they can never be fully wrenched out of their non-linear, tangential form. - [livejournal.com profile] stripedpetunia





18.) Eyes are never just, say, brown or blue. They are Cerulean. Taupe. Chocolate. Steel. - [livejournal.com profile] cathalin

19.) Life is not complete until you have gazed deeply into someone's swirling cerulean orbs. - [livejournal.com profile] transtempts

20.) There is no such thing as a sentence fragment. There *are* sentences without things like subjects or objects or verbs or any goddamn sense when taken out of context, but they're like that *intentionally*. Because of *flow*. - [livejournal.com profile] serrico

21.) Also, writing dialect/accents via the use of a tonne of dropped letters and apostrophes is totally a valid style choice. *nod* - [livejournal.com profile] serrico

22.) Don't forget that in the sex scenes, any males involved must be really, really hung. - [livejournal.com profile] geeklite

23.) Two virgins will always have fabulous sex, culminating in multiple mutual screaming orgasms. 'Cause it's fated, or something. - [livejournal.com profile] boochicken

24.) Any child that shows up in any fic should be precocious and adorable. More so if they are an MPREG assbaby. - [livejournal.com profile] counteragent

25.) Should any gay anal sex happen in a fic a conviniently placed bottle/jar/whatever recipient of amazingly slippery lube will always be at hand. - [livejournal.com profile] blackonice

26.) Also, when involved in a gay relationship, one or both of the members of said relationship will have this driving need to be inside/have inside their partner. (and that's when 25 comes in handy). - [livejournal.com profile] blackonice

27.) Dropping into all smallcase, even for names, to denote whispering or something stylistic I'm too stupid to grasp, is a great way to let your reader know it's getting all intimate and stuff, you know? And combine it with ellipses in weird places FTW! - [livejournal.com profile] janedavitt





28.) Killing a character makes my fic more *meaningful*, by which I mean *deep*, by which I mean, I am Hemingway. - [livejournal.com profile] brown_betty

29.) The healing cock can cure cancer. Trufax. - [livejournal.com profile] dorothy1901

30.) Quoting giants of English literature in my titles (and my ficcs, and my summaries) means I'm deep. And so does quoting Evanescence lyrics. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

31.) Being summarily executed by McTabby is a badge of pride, okay? (said summary showed up on someone's icon when they commented on a much more recent fic I'd written about a year ago. My old badfic! It haunts me from beyond its ff.net grave!) - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

32.) The shorter guy/skinnier guy/guy with the longest hair is always the uke. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

33.) Doyle is delicate and femininely beautiful. No, really! He's a very delicate and hauntingly lovely thuggish-looking bloke with a bad white boy 'fro. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

34.) Everyone at Hogwarts/in the Pegasus galaxy/in Weiss/in Schwartz/who pilots a Gundam/who is a member of the British navy/who wears a superhero costume IS GAY. All of them. But especially Bobby Drake. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

35.) Gambit and Duo Maxwell were both child prostitutes, as was every single other character who was orphaned and grew up on the streets. Yes, all of them. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

36.) There can never been too many fics that rip off that episode of Starsky & Hutch with the kidnapping and forced heroin addiction. Never. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

37.) Krychek/Avon/Draco/Snape/Sephiroth/Schuldig/Lex Luthor/Seshomaru/Darth Vader/the Joker/Adrian Veidt isn't a bad guy! He's just misunderstood! And angsty! And an abuse survivor! - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon





38.) Werewolves mate for life! - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

39.) Songfics are totally okay if it's one character actually singing the song. REALLY. - [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic

40.) Who cares if it makes sense, as long as it's ARTISTIC. - [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic

41.) Only the male one, though. The mean streets and slums of Fanficland are entirely free of female child prostitutes. - [livejournal.com profile] marinarusalka

42.) Female prostitutes are either filthy sluts who are bad mothers (hi, Sylvia Kovacs), hardbitten but heart-of-gold-posessing women who will take the pretty (male) child prostitute uke main character under their wing, gamine waifs a la Pretty Women who will be resuced by a good man, or Frank Miller characters. Or, sometimes in various CSI shows, murder victims. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

43.) Frank Miller has taught me that all prostitues know some form of kickass martial arts. - [livejournal.com profile] elspethdixon

44.) Different parts of the body live their own independent lives. X's hand roamed freely over Y's body. X's tongue snaked into Y's mouth. Etc. - [livejournal.com profile] ev_vy



Anyone have anything to add? This is, of course, 100% hypothetical and of course you didn't do any of this. So you know, go for it.

[identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
THE THESAURUS IS YOUR FRIEND!

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
ALWAYS.

[identity profile] rivkat.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I dealt with the coauthor problem where my coauthor isn't on the AO3 by putting it in the notes, same as I do with a remix where the original isn't there.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:55 am (UTC)(link)
That's what I did on the two I uploaded, but I'm wary on the series. I wish if there has to be a coauthor field, it wasn't quite so limited. I get why, but it's frustrating. Like a checkbox saying "Are they in the archive already?" or something.

[identity profile] shaenie.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
As long as you know what the rules are, grammatically speaking, then you can pick and choose which ones to follow. Sentence fragments are okay, as are really long sentences that include several very confusing parenthetical asides.

(hypothetically, it's possible that these things still happen. sometimes.)

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:02 am (UTC)(link)
*bites lip* There is that. Just. The power to do something does not mean one should, you know? Especially if you are young and feeling desperately artistic.

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[identity profile] winterlive.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
cliches are cliches BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
SPEAK IT.

[identity profile] laura47.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
why wouldn't cowrites be cool for the archive? *does not know much about fanfic politics*

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
No, it's the way the page is set up for editing fic once uploaded that made me unsure if non-AOOO or non-fan-now people's fic can be added.

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[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
It makes a story deep when grown men cry. Repeatedly.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
TRUFAX.
fenlings: (Default)

[personal profile] fenlings 2009-11-30 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
The healing cock is real
You speak the truth.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
As the fanfic gods intended.

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[identity profile] tygermama.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
I kinda want to get drunk and write a healing cock fic with agricultural cliches, grammatical errors and random placement of commas now.

but I have to work in the morning.

decisions, decisions...

I don't know you but

[identity profile] tricksterquinn.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
DOOOO EEEET.

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[identity profile] tricksterquinn.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
...I read a lot of Miss Manners. I care about that sort of thing. I have hit and passed my ten years in fandom mark. I like longwinded, unfinishable projects. I COULD TOTALLY MAKE UP ETIQUETTE RULES AND PUBLISH THEM.

[identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:44 am (UTC)(link)
::makes the big eyes of you should totatalllllly do that::

[identity profile] thepouncer.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
I have spent the weekend reading American Idol slash stories, and I BLAME YOU!!!!!

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Did you find yeats' rec page? Welcome to losing your life and soul to Adam Lambert.

http://yeats.livejournal.com/188701.html?style=mine

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[identity profile] janedavitt.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
7.) Agricultural terms as metaphors for sex are hot like burning, bitch.

I now have 'We plough the fields and scatter/the good seed on the ground' running through my head on a loop, dammit!

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
It is honestly better you continue unaware of this horror. THE LESS YOU KNOW THE FEWER NIGHTMARES YOU WILL HAVE.

[identity profile] out-there.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
4.) Repeating a single line over and over is okay when it's about angst. In italics, even.

Hee. I want to say that I remember writing like that, except I'm pretty sure I still do it.

I still do it.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
So do I.

And it's scary how often.

So do I.

[identity profile] teenygozer.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
WHAT'S SO WRONG WITH EPITHETS? Why is there no love for them these days? Back In The Day, they were a staple of a good fanfic story. You just *knew* that "the curly-haired rebel" was Blake and "the curly-haired pilot" was Tarrant. The alien telepath, the Delta thief, and the computer tech would go off together and have exciting adventures. LIFE WAS GOOD FOR THE PETITE, BRUNETTE AUTHOR.

[identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
I actually had a beta tell me I should do this rather than use the character names too much. A process I've since dropped.

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[identity profile] beadattitude.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Agricultural metaphors?

Yeah, I have a hypothetical problem like the one you mention above. I really wanted to finish that story, too. Um. Hypothetically. And hypothetically, would it help smooth things over if I said that the meds I was taking at the time were making me depressed and paranoid? Yeah, I didn't think so.
niqaeli: a mage sheeping someone (sheep)

[personal profile] niqaeli 2009-11-30 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Agricultural metaphors would include things like plowing... his field. And -- I have no idea what else? But I'm sure there are other, related metaphors.

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[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry for posting twice, but I just noticed something:

HOLY SHIT YOU CHANGED YOUR DEFAULT.

omg omg *crosses fingers* *enables* *offers cookies*

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[identity profile] linzeestyle.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
I second what [livejournal.com profile] cathalin said. Your default. What kind of crack do we have to offer to, you know, keep you?

Other lessons I have learned from fanfic: everyone thinks in tl;dr. No one ever has thoughts as banal as "they're hot. I want to fuck them." It's always glowing steel orbs and luscious well-spring of goodness and beauty, or deep, intense, burning...souls, and things.

Also, I am so guilty of the subject thing. SOMETIMES I JUST DONT WANT TO SAY "HE" ANYMORE OKAY? D:

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Other lessons I have learned from fanfic: everyone thinks in tl;dr. No one ever has thoughts as banal as "they're hot. I want to fuck them." It's always glowing steel orbs and luscious well-spring of goodness and beauty, or deep, intense, burning...souls, and things.

*post traumatic trauma* ORBS. ORBS. CERULEAN ORBS.

I second what cathalin said. Your default. What kind of crack do we have to offer to, you know, keep you?

*squints* I didn't have this icon up even twenty four hours. *impressed*

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[identity profile] linzeestyle.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
Also, you should never say "penis" when there are perfectly good manroots and hardnesses and members out there, waiting to be utilized.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:01 am (UTC)(link)
*begins to shake*

Spear. Sword of something. END OF THE WORLD.

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[identity profile] stripedpetunia.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
All facial expressions are primarily channeled through the eyes. Fuck all those facial muscles, what good are they. Also, why use pronouns (or *gasp* names) when you can just use epithets? (I have occasionally received concrit suggesting that names and 'he' are boring and I need more, like, 'the blond(e) captain' and 'the catlike Vulcan', just for example. I have learned to agree to disagree with these commenters.)

Also, song lyrics. ALL THROUGHOUT THE FIC. Am I right?

I will never stop abusing parentheses, though. My thoughts, they can never be fully wrenched out of their non-linear, tangential form.

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[identity profile] merrilily.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
10.) It makes a story deep when grown men cry. Repeatedly.

BRB, laughing so hard I can't breathe. And manroots! BWAH.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 06:24 am (UTC)(link)
I love when grown men cry over their manpain when they are broken up ith. IT MAKES ME HAPPY. ARE YOU JUDGING?

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[identity profile] cathalin.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
Omg I forgot one of the most important ones! Eyes are never just, say, brown or blue. They are Cerulean. Taupe. Chocolate. Steel.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
*distantly* I remember those fic. THey made me cry.
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[identity profile] transtempts.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 06:12 am (UTC)(link)
Life is not complete until you have gazed deeply into someone's swirling cerulean orbs.

*nods*

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
It's like a law of nature.

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[identity profile] hradzka.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 07:15 am (UTC)(link)
I am trying like hell to figure out what I should do about my really early fanfic. It's MYSTERY SCIENCE THEATER 3000 fic, which I'm not even sure counts as fanfic at all. The premise of MST3K: a man and his robot friends are forced by evil mad scientists to watch extraordinarily bad movies. Which they do, wisecracking throughout. Logically enough, MST3K fanfic consists consists of said man and robots... making fun of bad fanfic.

As in, MST3K fans would take horrible fanfics, insert host segments and little sketches featuring the MST3K characters, and add the MST3K characters making running commentary throughout the horrible fanfic. For those not familiar with MST3K, it was basically the equivalent of modern media fandom's DVD commentary meme, except the commentary was calling attention to everything about the fanfics that was really bad.

I have no idea how AOOO would handle anything like that.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
I think that falls under transformative of the original fanfic, if that's what you mean. Second--omg if there were easily accessible MST3K? I would cry with joy. Cry. With. Joy.

Not that I ever read the MST3K of Stephen Ratliffe's ST fic or anything.

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[identity profile] serrico.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 08:11 am (UTC)(link)
There is no such thing as a sentence fragment. There *are* sentences without things like subjects or objects or verbs or any goddamn sense when taken out of context, but they're like that *intentionally*. Because of *flow*.

Also, writing dialect/accents via the use of a tonne of dropped letters and apostrophes is totally a valid style choice. *nod*

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
IT IS. I KNOW BECAUSE I TRIED. READ IT OUT LOUD IF YOU HAVE TO, READER.

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[identity profile] iteari.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
"Repeating a single line over and over is okay when it's about angst. In italics, even."

*cringes*

Reminds me of the time I decided to help my teacher grade her students' poems. Which. I. Will. Never. Do. Again. *eye-twitch*





[identity profile] lurkerlynne.livejournal.com 2009-11-30 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Still have nightmares then? ::pets::

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They also serve who only sit and nitpick spelling and grammar mistakes.

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