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seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2010-02-02 03:02 pm
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*sighs* it's my own fault for reading comments

Pentagon begins tackling "don't ask, don't tell"

From comments:
I wonder why there is no mention of a heterosexuals right to privacy in this discussion. You parents and you young people who are considering the military might want to consider that the military, the president and the liberals in congress have no regard for your right to privacy.

In the military it is not uncommon for many persons to be in a communal shower at the same time. It is not uncommon for service members to undress and dress in barracks in front of many people.

I don’t have a daughter, but if I did I would not want her to undress in front of men who have a sexual interest in her. I feel the same way about my son. Write your senators and your state rep about this issue and protect our soldier’s, marine’s, airmen’s and sailor’s right privacy and not to be leered at.

Gay’s in the military is not a good idea. Unless you taxpayers are willing to spend the money to build separate barracks, bathrooms, showers, etc.


Notes:

I'm going to simplify this. I think we're running into a disconnect between Repressed Fantasies 101 and The Real World or Theory versus Practice.

Dear People,

Please stop referring to Everything I Know About Them Homosekshuals I Learned From Porn I Saw on the Internet as a medium of real life experience. I am not denying there might be or could be sexual shenanigans in communal showers somewhere in the world, because the world is large and well, there are sexual shenanigans everywhere. But let's put this on the table; communal showers aren't practically sexy. Just bear with me--you've been calithenicing, running, jumping, sweating, shooting things, and trying not to wonder why you thought this was a good life plan for eighteen hours, which culminates in a tile room that smells like disinfectant, socks, and a mix of many kinds of sweat and probably mildew, and likely dead rats. I'm going to say, and I say this as someone with a healthy libido, should I be in a shower with twenty hot guys, which in theory is OMG YES, in practice, I'll shiv their asses for soap, okay? Fuck sex, I want that sand out of my underwear and then I want dinner and sleep and contemplate how I got to this point in my life. It's the military. They're a little busy with trying not to die in physical training or you know, shooting things.

There is a reason human beings, as a rule, do not go on dates still wet wearing towels and in general, we don't say "Hey, I like you. Wanna get some coffee and a communal shower?". Only in porn is anyone attractive while desperately scrubbing off mud and trying to balance on one foot to get those hard to reach places. And frankly, having seen some of that porn? Not so much, no.

Jesus.

So. Just to reiterate--not that it couldn't happen, but honestly, you're also not that hot. Especially covered in day old sweat and dirt. Thank you. Stop watching bad porn. Hell, stop watching porn. Obviously it's fucking with your fantasy to reality filter.

Short version: they're really going to repeal it? Wow. So something just might actually go right. I'm not sure how to handle news that is not life-endingly bad. This feels like--maybe hope? Don't quote me on that.
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[personal profile] trobadora 2010-02-02 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
but honestly, you're also not that hot

*snort* Yep. That.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Just. You know, seriously. The people who tend to worry about this most are probably the least likely to be objects of leering, you know?

[identity profile] jaebi-lit.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
The comments to this post (http://keori.livejournal.com/323456.html) by keori (bisexual navy vet) go into the shower/segretation issue. I was surprised to learn that communal showering is not that common in the military.

[identity profile] jaebi-lit.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah--homophobes who freak out about teh queerz and assume that all GLBTQI folks are horny perverts 24/7? Not at the top of my hot list!

[identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, one of the many tall, dark, lanky, half shaven hotties I have serious crushes on right now could be next to me in a communal shower and if I just had a long fucking day full of exercise in various gross places JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN, then yeah, I'm more interested in the soap. And a bed. Alone.

[identity profile] bluflamingo.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my God, there are already gay people in the military, for starters! Also, in my country, you can be openly gay in the military, and have been allowed to be for quite some time, and yet the first soldier came out *last* month, so (a) clearly gay people are still mostly hiding, so they won't be ogling anyone cos they have more self-peservation instincts and (b) there have been no reported sexual issues in the UK military where gay people were coming on to straight people or in any way intimidating them (the other way around, however...)

Jesus, there's nothing like the combination of gay and military to make people go crazy!

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Shiv them for soap, man. And hot water.
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[identity profile] writinginct.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this whole repeal dialog is going to get a lot worse before it gets better, unfortunately.

What I find frustrating is that it seems like those opposed to homosexuals being allowed to serve openly seem to always equate same-sex gender preference with being some sort of pervert or potential sexual attacker. It's like they think our military has such a squeaky clean record when it comes to heterosexual sexual assault and perversion. ::rolls eyes::

[identity profile] fan-eunice.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you so much. And I'm cracking up a LOT.

Also, us homosexual types? We've been undressing and showering and so forth communally with the same sex..y'know. All our *lives*. The whole forbidden thrill of being somewhere or seeing something you don't see *all the time* just isn't there. It's like nudist colonies. Yes individual people may be attracted to each other while naked, but as a rule everyone's not running around going "I SAW YOUR NAKED PARTS, I MUST JUMP YOU NOW".
Edited 2010-02-02 21:20 (UTC)

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my God, there are already gay people in the military, for starters!

oh, your earth logic! So cute! We don't do that in America. We're not into "reality" and whatnot.

The rest--yeah. Speak it. gah.

[identity profile] frog4.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Can we blame porn for the rest of the fantasy-to-reality filter (http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political/5261523.html) issues some people seem to be having?

[identity profile] miscellanny.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*thumbs up*

[identity profile] amireal.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
And then step on their still bleeding corpses for a clean towel.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I want to say it's straight-male projection with the assumption that nudity is a form of consent for sexual activity, as they try to project what a group of men would do with a naked woman present (naked == asking for it). That's when I'm feeling cynical.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! Awesome link.

[identity profile] archaeologist-d.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Have to laugh. Why would they think it would be hot to have sex in a communal shower when you're hot, sweaty and dirty? They really need to stop watching bad porn.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
God, this. I mean, let's face it, no one has super pheremones. No one is on and up for it twenty four seven. And God knows, showers are not going to show your best side.

The whole forbidden thrill of being somewhere or seeing something you don't see *all the time* just isn't there. It's like nudist colonies. Yes individual people may be attracted to each other while naked, but as a rule everyone's not running around going "I SAW YOUR NAKED PARTS, I MUST JUMP YOU NOW".

THIS. GOD THIS.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
*faceplant* I don't even know how to fit that into a worldview without dropping acid.

[identity profile] bluflamingo.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
We don't do that in America. We're not into "reality" and whatnot.

Oh, that's been my problem all along then - I was trying to apply logic, though God knows why when we're talking gay people and the American military. More fool me.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's like they never take showers in groups. *shudders*

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, I will kill for hot water at that point, not so much caring about anyone's nakedness.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Srsly. I'm not sure they'd be at the bottom of my list. My list would reject them.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
*nods wildly* Random noncontextual quotes from the Bible are the way to go. Especially quotes that don't actually exist in any known text or canon.
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[identity profile] darstellen.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, reading your post has been ... a cathartic experience. As someone with an ex-Navy captain father who thinks neither homosexuals nor women should be on submarines, let alone on surface ships, the all-too familiar brand of surreal logic used by the comments is something that really riles me up, and you expressed perfectly why.

[identity profile] geeklite.livejournal.com 2010-02-02 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
The boything does communal showers in a gym in the middle of San Francisco - so far he's remained unmolested by the OMGgays!

(He did promise me pictures if that ever changed ;)

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