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seperis ([personal profile] seperis) wrote2008-11-28 02:14 am
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i'd like to point out first, my del.icio.us tags include amtdi and non-con

You know, I thought I talked myself down off this one, because frankly, Twilight is not great literature and mounting a defense takes up valuable time reading non-con amtdi porn.

But you know, I just feel that inspired, plus I ran out of Dean/Castiel reading and my son still has Twilight in his locker. Go figure.

I have to know something; did I miss the memo that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being twelve? My apologies; see, when I was twelve? I never really considered to form my actions to meet an arbitrary standard that would come into existence twenty years later on my reading habits, because that? Would have totally pulled the Gor novels right out of my hot little hands.

As in, please to be putting down your AMTDI non-con for a second while ranting on how Twilight is ruining young girls. I will totally be there when fandom as a whole stops finding aliens made them do it rape as a fun and lighthearted fanfic pasttime. I mean, I will be there, but I'll still be writing it. Hell, throw in eroticized slave-fic with idealized sexual slavery and falling in love with your enslaver controlling boyfriend who stalks you...wait.

Writer responsibility comes up a lot with this, which I suppose is fair when one is writing cross-alien-species sexual hijinks and one is struggling to portray those sensitivity, or the reality of slave trafficking in the modern world, or hell, magical healing cock after rape and lets toss in mpreg for kicks, because there's a genre that's incredibly sensitive and socially conscious. I have zero interest in writer responsibility, to be honest, except for one key points--did they tell a story? That's it; that's where it starts and stops, with some codicils of audience. Twilight was readable to a huge group of people.

Maybe the mystery is the plotline? Because I agree; I cannot imagine why anyone would enjoy a fantasy novel about two people obsessively in love with each other and would do anything to be together.

You may pile your under the bed romance novels over to the left, please; lets do this right. Let's blackball the entire romance novel industry already. I want petitions against VC Andrews, Johanna Lindsay, Judith McNaught, Catherine Coulter, Virginia Henley (Okay, I could stand to lose her), and anything set in Viking England with a wee Saxon lass.

Seriously. I get hating them for being bad, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder; shaming young girls for something they've found to love is edging right into the reason I'm trying to stop myself from ever using the term "Like a twelve year old girl" again in any slash fic I write. Which will probably be something I'll have to pick up on beta because comparisons to teenage girls as insults to men is surprisingly common.

Please lay off the girls. And remind me again how Seeds of Yesterday ended. For the life of me, I couldn't find it with my other VC Andrews work.

[identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com 2008-11-29 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
I am so tired of people acting like YA novels have a Deeper, Omnipresent Responsibility that any other lit is excused from. I'm really uncomfortable at the way adults seem to feel so okay with deciding that because the target audience is a group of people that are lower on the ladder of power, or whatever, it's reasonable to decide that the books are bad or unhealthy or whatever.

I am not into Twilight, because it doesn't hit my story kinks. But I will damn well defend the right of Twilight to be read and enjoyed and discussed, because the alternative- that is to say, deciding young adult literature is meant to be first and foremost a teaching tool rather than a goddamn story- is so abhorrent it makes me want to stab things.

A lot.

[identity profile] seperis.livejournal.com 2008-11-29 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
Think of Moby Dick as adolescent required reading and take two aspirin before seppaku. *shudders*

[identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com 2008-11-29 03:11 am (UTC)(link)
Given what I study, following the current reactions to Twilight has basically been my own personal version of hell.

Twilight is morally the worst thing you can imagine kids reading? Really? PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE A LIST OF NEW AND EXCITING THINGS TO EXPLORE!

[identity profile] ithiliana.livejournal.com 2008-11-29 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Ditto, and yes!

If anybody starts talking about role models in literary analysis, I toss it.

(I think that the scholarship on children's and YA lit is majorly flawed that way, though some of my friends are trying to work out of that attitude).

But then I think that the fact that the idea of a "separate" literature for children/adolescents only originated with the rise of mass literacy (as did the idea of "girls' books" and "boys' books") and became tied to education at a certain historical period made the whole damn Responsibility thing inevitable.

I remember when all the psychology and ed types were freaking out about Oz being unhealthy ("fantasy") and some of the other types were freaking out about it being COMMUNIST during the late 1950s/1960s -- I mean, sheesh! Only made Oz more appealing!