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i'd like to point out first, my del.icio.us tags include amtdi and non-con
You know, I thought I talked myself down off this one, because frankly, Twilight is not great literature and mounting a defense takes up valuable time reading non-con amtdi porn.
But you know, I just feel that inspired, plus I ran out of Dean/Castiel reading and my son still has Twilight in his locker. Go figure.
I have to know something; did I miss the memo that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being twelve? My apologies; see, when I was twelve? I never really considered to form my actions to meet an arbitrary standard that would come into existence twenty years later on my reading habits, because that? Would have totally pulled the Gor novels right out of my hot little hands.
As in, please to be putting down your AMTDI non-con for a second while ranting on how Twilight is ruining young girls. I will totally be there when fandom as a whole stops finding aliens made them do it rape as a fun and lighthearted fanfic pasttime. I mean, I will be there, but I'll still be writing it. Hell, throw in eroticized slave-fic with idealized sexual slavery and falling in love with your enslaver controlling boyfriend who stalks you...wait.
Writer responsibility comes up a lot with this, which I suppose is fair when one is writing cross-alien-species sexual hijinks and one is struggling to portray those sensitivity, or the reality of slave trafficking in the modern world, or hell, magical healing cock after rape and lets toss in mpreg for kicks, because there's a genre that's incredibly sensitive and socially conscious. I have zero interest in writer responsibility, to be honest, except for one key points--did they tell a story? That's it; that's where it starts and stops, with some codicils of audience. Twilight was readable to a huge group of people.
Maybe the mystery is the plotline? Because I agree; I cannot imagine why anyone would enjoy a fantasy novel about two people obsessively in love with each other and would do anything to be together.
You may pile your under the bed romance novels over to the left, please; lets do this right. Let's blackball the entire romance novel industry already. I want petitions against VC Andrews, Johanna Lindsay, Judith McNaught, Catherine Coulter, Virginia Henley (Okay, I could stand to lose her), and anything set in Viking England with a wee Saxon lass.
Seriously. I get hating them for being bad, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder; shaming young girls for something they've found to love is edging right into the reason I'm trying to stop myself from ever using the term "Like a twelve year old girl" again in any slash fic I write. Which will probably be something I'll have to pick up on beta because comparisons to teenage girls as insults to men is surprisingly common.
Please lay off the girls. And remind me again how Seeds of Yesterday ended. For the life of me, I couldn't find it with my other VC Andrews work.
But you know, I just feel that inspired, plus I ran out of Dean/Castiel reading and my son still has Twilight in his locker. Go figure.
I have to know something; did I miss the memo that I'm supposed to be ashamed of being twelve? My apologies; see, when I was twelve? I never really considered to form my actions to meet an arbitrary standard that would come into existence twenty years later on my reading habits, because that? Would have totally pulled the Gor novels right out of my hot little hands.
As in, please to be putting down your AMTDI non-con for a second while ranting on how Twilight is ruining young girls. I will totally be there when fandom as a whole stops finding aliens made them do it rape as a fun and lighthearted fanfic pasttime. I mean, I will be there, but I'll still be writing it. Hell, throw in eroticized slave-fic with idealized sexual slavery and falling in love with your enslaver controlling boyfriend who stalks you...wait.
Writer responsibility comes up a lot with this, which I suppose is fair when one is writing cross-alien-species sexual hijinks and one is struggling to portray those sensitivity, or the reality of slave trafficking in the modern world, or hell, magical healing cock after rape and lets toss in mpreg for kicks, because there's a genre that's incredibly sensitive and socially conscious. I have zero interest in writer responsibility, to be honest, except for one key points--did they tell a story? That's it; that's where it starts and stops, with some codicils of audience. Twilight was readable to a huge group of people.
Maybe the mystery is the plotline? Because I agree; I cannot imagine why anyone would enjoy a fantasy novel about two people obsessively in love with each other and would do anything to be together.
You may pile your under the bed romance novels over to the left, please; lets do this right. Let's blackball the entire romance novel industry already. I want petitions against VC Andrews, Johanna Lindsay, Judith McNaught, Catherine Coulter, Virginia Henley (Okay, I could stand to lose her), and anything set in Viking England with a wee Saxon lass.
Seriously. I get hating them for being bad, as beauty is in the eye of the beholder; shaming young girls for something they've found to love is edging right into the reason I'm trying to stop myself from ever using the term "Like a twelve year old girl" again in any slash fic I write. Which will probably be something I'll have to pick up on beta because comparisons to teenage girls as insults to men is surprisingly common.
Please lay off the girls. And remind me again how Seeds of Yesterday ended. For the life of me, I couldn't find it with my other VC Andrews work.
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I read (and reread) the Flowers in the Attic series as a teen and... well, I'm not sure what kind of petition you're proposing, but if it's a petition stating "I know these books are retrograde crap and I liked them anyway" then hand me a pen and I'll sign.
I've felt a lot more relaxed w/r/t matters of taste since I decided that just because I like something doesn't mean it has to be good in any way. I used to plead "guilty pleasure", or spend time defending the supposed redeeming/ironic/etc. values of the things I liked, trying to justify these things as somehow "good" because how could I like something that was bad? Answer: easily. There are lots of things that I think are crappy and lame, but still give me pleasure, and I reserve the right to like whatever pleases me, even if it runs contrary to my aesthetic a/o moral judgement.
Maybe if I hadn't read rape scenes like the one in Flowers in the Attic at a formative age, I wouldn't enjoy all that AMTDI noncon fanfic now, who knows. I don't think reading skanky melodrama as teens (or still!) disqualifies anyone from frowning over skanky melodrama for teens now. I don't think it's hurting anything to engage critically with a story like Flowers or Twilight and point out all the skeevy elements. IMO, it's okay for critics to list off their problems with the story all they like, as long as it's also okay for readers to say: I recognize that Twilight's central relationship seems creepy and stalkery and controlling, but I still like Twilight. A story doesn't have to be morally sound or eloquently written for that, it just has to be enjoyable.
Anyway. Personally I think the Twilight books seem to be badly written with ridiculous plot turns, but I'll be honest, I mostly dislike them because I wish I'd had the idea to warm over some geared-down, hetted-up Ricean vampire shenanigans and serve them up to the teen market for big $$$. Going by what I've read of the books, I wouldn't even have had to edit. :P
I'm trying to stop myself from ever using the term "Like a twelve year old girl" again in any slash fic I write.
Oh god, thank you for that. That formulation really grates on me and for some reason it's extremely pernicious in SGA fandom. I'd love to see a fandom-wide intervention to get people to think twice before they use it.
I need to type less, or faster, or both
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I just got through the first novel and was very...under-enthused. So much potential and yet not enough story, you know? It felt like a very long fic from the Pit. Do the other books get better?
I will give it props over the Anne Rice in that she didn't spend so long describing a gate that I had to flip back 20 pages to pick up the thread of the story again.
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