Heyla, this is gonna skitz lightly over several of the topics you've spoken about...but my main question at present is:
Um...exactly what is the We Invented the Remix...Redux site about? I had a quick look (and found an utterly cool, creepy and dark Logan/Rogue fic - eek!) and sort of got the gist, but wouldn't mind knowing exactly what it's trying to achieve.
suzvoy (through whose LJ I found you) pointed out the whole Firefly fandom vidder thing - ack! Major, major, major ACK! And I only skimmed through the stuff at the top!
And while I was going back through suz's friends listings, I noted your rant about fan entitlement and their expectation that the artist (whether author, vidder, webmaster, capper, whatever) submit to their specific demands - and I completely agree!
morgan32 noted (a couple of months back, and not on her LJ) that a reknowned slasher in the SG-1 fandom posted a WIP...and one of the major slash lists took up a 'vote' on how it should end. Morgan's pithy comment regarding the situation was along the lines of: "It's her story! It's not for the list to demand that it should end this way or that way - she's writing it, why should she have to pander to other fans in which direction it's going?"
And yes, there does seem to be an attitude of "I want this - exactly this - and if I don't get it then you're a nasty person." It's almost like people declaring their right to exert control over the fandom, the fans, the show they're watching, and the actors who participate in it.
Hel-lo! Newsflash! The world does not revolve around you. It does not revolve around me! It doesn't revolve around any of us! We live in society and that requires an increasingly unpopular thing known as compromise. It means "you give some, they give some" - and it's how adults have to work their relationships in the world outside fandom!
You come to the fandom and you bring something to it, whether fanfic, vids, artwork, an opinion, a new view, even just plain and simple appreciation of the show and the fandom and the work of fans. What you get out of it is entirely a gift. You choose whether to put back into the fandom in terms of feedback (which is basically encouragement to the producer of the fan-work, thereby growing the fandom). Then the author chooses whether to put back into the fandom in terms of response to feedback (thereby encouraging you the respondent to keep responding to themselves or to other fan-artists)...and it goes on.
Demanding or expecting the right to FB, or the right to have this on a sight, or (heaven forbid) the right to have this on the show is just puerile. And there's a fine line between demand/expectation of something and asking/requesting it. The first presupposes that they must change things to suit you. The second assumes nothing, but inquires about the possibility of something you'd like. And sometimes you get it, and sometimes you don't.
AAAAAARGHHHHH! I'm getting mad just thinking about it!
This was probably a bit of a non-sequitur to your post - sorry about that. I get a lot of thoughts all bubbling inside all at once and they just come out at the same time - no real order to it.
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Um...exactly what is the We Invented the Remix...Redux site about? I had a quick look (and found an utterly cool, creepy and dark Logan/Rogue fic - eek!) and sort of got the gist, but wouldn't mind knowing exactly what it's trying to achieve.
And while I was going back through suz's friends listings, I noted your rant about fan entitlement and their expectation that the artist (whether author, vidder, webmaster, capper, whatever) submit to their specific demands - and I completely agree!
And yes, there does seem to be an attitude of "I want this - exactly this - and if I don't get it then you're a nasty person." It's almost like people declaring their right to exert control over the fandom, the fans, the show they're watching, and the actors who participate in it.
Hel-lo! Newsflash! The world does not revolve around you. It does not revolve around me! It doesn't revolve around any of us! We live in society and that requires an increasingly unpopular thing known as compromise. It means "you give some, they give some" - and it's how adults have to work their relationships in the world outside fandom!
You come to the fandom and you bring something to it, whether fanfic, vids, artwork, an opinion, a new view, even just plain and simple appreciation of the show and the fandom and the work of fans. What you get out of it is entirely a gift. You choose whether to put back into the fandom in terms of feedback (which is basically encouragement to the producer of the fan-work, thereby growing the fandom). Then the author chooses whether to put back into the fandom in terms of response to feedback (thereby encouraging you the respondent to keep responding to themselves or to other fan-artists)...and it goes on.
Demanding or expecting the right to FB, or the right to have this on a sight, or (heaven forbid) the right to have this on the show is just puerile. And there's a fine line between demand/expectation of something and asking/requesting it. The first presupposes that they must change things to suit you. The second assumes nothing, but inquires about the possibility of something you'd like. And sometimes you get it, and sometimes you don't.
AAAAAARGHHHHH!
I'm getting mad just thinking about it!
This was probably a bit of a non-sequitur to your post - sorry about that. I get a lot of thoughts all bubbling inside all at once and they just come out at the same time - no real order to it.